Why Does Calculating Train Engine Power Result in Different Values?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum power of a train engine traveling at a constant speed of 50 meters per second, given a total resistance to motion of 30 kilonewtons. The original poster presents their calculation, which results in 1.5 megawatts, and contrasts it with the answer provided in their book, which states 1.47 megawatts.

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile their calculation with the answer book, questioning the rationale behind subtracting resistance from their computed power. Some participants question the validity of the book's answer and the relevance of gravity in this level motion scenario.

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Participants are exploring the discrepancies between the original poster's calculation and the answer provided in the book. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the book or the question's formulation, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct interpretation or resolution of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem specifies level motion, which raises questions about the role of gravity and the appropriateness of the resistance value provided. There is also mention of possible modifications to the original question that could lead to confusion in the answer.

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Hi. I'm new and am trying to solve a simple question 'Find the max power of a train engine traveling level at 50 metres per second if total resistance to motion is 30 KiloNewtons.

I get power = force times velocity so 30000 x 50 = 1500000 = 1.5 Mega Watts. My answer book says 1.47 Mega Watts. I can see how 1.5MW minus 30KW = 1500000 - 30000 = 1.47MW. Also I can see that power times gravity of 9.8 = 1.5 MW times 9.8 N gives the same answer.

I can't see how you should subtract the force from the sum of the force and the distance, or how vertical gravity can reduce the speed of a horizontally moving train. Thanks :)
 
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Your math seems fine. Subtracting 30KW doesn't make sense since 30KW hasn't been computed anywhere, making it a random number. Subtracting the force doesn't make sense since force and power are different units and cannot be added. And yes, gravity plays no role since the problem says 'level'. Also 1.5MW * 9.8 m/sec² results in 14.7 mega-something, not 1.47 mega-something.

I cannot explain the book answer.
 
I think these book/web errors often arise when someone modifies the question and fails to check the answer given elsewhere.
That 9.8 produces the right leading digits is suggestive. The original might have been something like "a train of mass 30,000 kg and rolling resistance (or "rolling friction" or whatever) of 0.1..."
 
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Thanks guys, massively appreciated :)
Interesting insight haruspex..
 

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