Why Does Choosing z=1/n Demonstrate Non-Uniform Convergence?

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The discussion centers on the concept of uniform convergence of a sequence of functions, specifically examining an example from a set of notes that illustrates why choosing \( z = \frac{1}{n} \) demonstrates non-uniform convergence. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to convergence properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that to show non-uniform convergence, one must demonstrate that for some epsilon, there is no universal N applicable to all points.
  • It is mentioned that choosing \( z = \frac{1}{n} \) implies that the value of \( z \) depends on \( n \), which is necessary for the functions to converge pointwise but not uniformly.
  • One participant questions whether the choice of \( z = \frac{1}{N} \) indicates that whatever \( N \) is chosen, it will not suffice for uniform convergence.
  • A participant proposes a contradiction by assuming uniform convergence and deriving a scenario where a specific \( x \) leads to a contradiction, suggesting that no such \( N \) can exist for uniform convergence.
  • Another participant relates the example to the behavior of the function \( f(x) = \frac{1}{x} \) near zero, emphasizing that while the function approaches infinity as \( x \) approaches zero, it remains finite for any fixed interval away from zero, illustrating the nuances of convergence.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the implications of choosing \( z = \frac{1}{n} \) and the consequences for uniform convergence. There is no consensus on the implications of this choice, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader understanding of uniform versus pointwise convergence.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on specific values of \( z \) and the implications for convergence, but does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in the example provided.

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on page 4, example 9 in this link, http://www.personal.psu.edu/auw4/M401-notes1.pdf, they show a sequence of functions is not uniformly convergent. To show this, you need to show that for some epsilon, there is no 'universal' N.

But they didn't pick a particular value of $z$, they chose $z=1/n$, which is a function of $n$. Can anyone explain why this proves that the sequence is not uniformly convergent
 
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Fermat said:
on page 4, example 9 in this link, http://www.personal.psu.edu/auw4/M401-notes1.pdf, they show a sequence of functions is not uniformly convergent. To show this, you need to show that for some epsilon, there is no 'universal' N.

But they didn't pick a particular value of $z$, they chose $z=1/n$, which is a function of $n$. Can anyone explain why this proves that the sequence is not uniformly convergent
If you could find a particular (fixed) value of $z$ then the functions would not converge pointwise (because they would not converge at that particular value of $z$). The aim of Example 9 is to provide a sequence of functions that converges pointwise but not uniformly. That necessarily means that the value of $z$ is going to have to depend on $n$.
 
Opalg said:
If you could find a particular (fixed) value of $z$ then the functions would not converge pointwise (because they would not converge at that particular value of $z$). The aim of Example 9 is to provide a sequence of functions that converges pointwise but not uniformly. That necessarily means that the value of $z$ is going to have to depend on $n$.

So basically, they hare saying that whatever $N$ is chosen, that $N$ 'won't do' for $z=1/N$ ?
 
Pick an $\epsilon < \dfrac{1}{2}$.

For example, say $\epsilon = \dfrac{1}{4}$.

Suppose, for the sake of showing a contradiction, that $\{f_n\}$ was uniformly convergent on $(0,\infty)$.

We then could find a natural number $N$ (having chosen $\epsilon$, this is now a FIXED natural number) such that:

$|f_n(x)| < \dfrac{1}{4}$ for all $n > N$ and all $x \in (0,\infty)$.

Let $x = \dfrac{1}{N+1}$.

We have:

$|f_{N+1}(N+1)| = \dfrac{1}{2} > \dfrac{1}{4}$, contradiction.

So $\{f_n\}$ must not be uniformly convergent, there is no such $N$.

What actually happens here, is we can find an $N$ that works on $(1/n,\infty)$, but no matter how big $N$ gets, there's still a little bit of $f$ for which the convergence is "too slow", even though that "little bit" winds up getting closer and closer to 0.

This example is closely related to the behavior of $f(x) = \dfrac{1}{x}$ near 0. Clearly, as we approach 0, $f$ approaches $\infty$, but no matter "how close" we get to 0, if we are not AT it, $f$ is still finite. We can bound $f$ on any interval:

$[\epsilon,1]$

but we cannot bound $f$ on $(0,1]$, even though it is defined everywhere on this interval.

This is essentially "built-in" to the real numbers, we can keep creeping closer to the cliff, and we're never actually "forced" to jump off. Even a tiny bit of "wiggle room" is enough to allow functions to do some very odd things.
 

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