Pointwise and Uniform Convergence

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of pointwise and uniform convergence of sequences and series of complex functions, particularly focusing on intuitive explanations and differences between the two types of convergence. Participants explore examples and implications of these convergence types in the context of complex analysis.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the difference between pointwise and uniform convergence, noting that for uniform convergence, the choice of "N" does not depend on the variable, whereas for pointwise convergence, it can.
  • Another participant provides an example with the function ##f_n(x) = x^n## on the interval ##[0,1[##, illustrating that while the sequence approaches zero for all ##a \in [0,1[##, there exist values of ##x## for which the function does not converge uniformly.
  • A different participant states that the uniform limit of continuous functions remains continuous, while the pointwise limit may not be continuous.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding whether the discussion pertains to uniform convergence of a complex function or a sequence of functions, indicating a need for precision in the question posed.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the reference to "it" in a previous message, indicating a lack of clarity in the discussion.
  • A final post questions whether the concept of uniform convergence for a sequence of real-valued functions of a real variable is understood, suggesting a potential gap in foundational knowledge among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the concepts of pointwise and uniform convergence. There is no consensus on the best way to frame the discussion or on the terminology used, indicating some disagreement and confusion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the questions posed, particularly regarding the distinction between sequences and series of functions, which may affect the depth of the discussion.

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Hello! Can someone explain to me in an intuitive way the difference between pointwise and uniform convergence of a series of complex functions ##f_n(z)##? Form what I understand, the difference is that when choosing an "N" such that for all ##n \ge N## something is less than ##\epsilon##, in the case of uniform convergence N can't depend on z but in the case of pointwise convergence it can. I saw an example for the function ##f_n(z)=z^n## which has uniform convergence if the domain is ##D_{[0,a]}## with ##a<1##, but has pointwise convergence for ##a=1##. I understand that the proofs involves different approaches and this is why they have different types of convergence, but in the end they converge to the same function ##f(z)=0##. So how is the uniform convergence stronger than the other one (I know that pointwise is implied by uniform but not the other way around, but this still doesn't really give me a clear understanding). Thank you!
 
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If you have a function ##f_n (x) = x^n## on the half-open interval ##[0,1[##, the sequence ##f_1 (a),f_2 (a), f_3 (a), \dots## will approach zero no matter what the number ##a\in [0,1[## is, but for any given ##n##, no matter how large, there is some number ##x\in [0,1[## for which ##f_n (x) = 0.5## or any number in the interval ##[0,1[##. So you can't limit the value of ##f_n (x)## to some interval ##[0,c]## where ##c< 1## by any finite choice of ##n##.
 
The main thing about uniform convergence that I know is that the uniform limit of continuous functions is continuous. The point wise limit may not be continuous.
 
Silviu said:
Hello! Can someone explain to me in an intuitive way the difference between pointwise and uniform convergence of a complex function ##f(z)##? Form what I understand, the difference is that when choosing an "N" such that for all ##n \ge N## something is less than ##\epsilon##,

Are you talking about uniform convergence "of a complex function"? - or uniform convergence of a sequence of functions? It would be best to ask a precise question, even if you want an intuitive explanation.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Are you talking about uniform convergence "of a complex function"? - or uniform convergence of a sequence of functions? It would be best to ask a precise question, even if you want an intuitive explanation.
Sorry, I meant series of functions (anyway for a single function I guess it doesn't make a difference as there is no "n" to take the limit of, just z)
 
Silviu said:
Sorry, I meant series of functions
I think you mean "sequence" of functions.

(anyway for a single function I guess it doesn't make a difference as there is no "n" to take the limit of, just z)

I don't what "it" refers to.

Do you understand the concept of uniform convergence for a sequence of real valued functions of real variable?
 

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