Why Does Copper Not React with Lead Nitrate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the reactivity of copper with lead nitrate, specifically why copper does not react with lead nitrate despite some participants suggesting it should be able to oxidize. The scope includes theoretical considerations related to the activity series of metals and the underlying principles of oxidation and reduction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that copper will not be oxidized by lead nitrate because it is lower on the activity series compared to lead.
  • Others question the relevance of the activity series, suggesting that copper should still be able to oxidize regardless of its position.
  • One participant proposes that the activity series indicates the willingness of elements to lose electrons, with those higher up being more willing to oxidize.
  • Another participant suggests that the movement of electrons occurs from the more willing element to the less willing element, questioning if this is an absolute rule.
  • A participant compares the flow of electrons to heat flow, indicating that reversing electron flow would require work, although this analogy is met with some skepticism.
  • One participant speculates that while copper and lead may not appear to react, there could be momentary electron transfers that are quickly reversed due to lead's higher activity.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of calculating equilibrium concentrations of ions using the Nernst equation, hinting at a more complex interaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the activity series, with no consensus reached on whether copper should react with lead nitrate or the nature of the interactions between the two metals.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions underlying the activity series and the specifics of electron transfer dynamics between copper and lead ions.

Tam Le
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According to my chemistry textbook, Cu will not be oxidized by Pb(NO3)2, for Cu is lower on the activity series relative to Pb; Cu will not react with Pb(NO3)2.

Why is that? Copper should still be able to oxidize regardless of its position on the activity series. So, why does its position on the activity series matter? Why doesn't this happen?

Cu (s) + Pb(NO3)2 (aq) ----> Cu(NO3)2 (aq) + Pb (s)
 
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Tam Le said:
Copper should still be able to oxidize regardless of its position on the activity series.

So if the position on the activity series doesn't matter, what is the activity series for?
 
Thank you Borek for replying.

I think the activity series simply list the willingness of certain elements to become oxidized (lose electrons): Those on the top are more willing to oxidize than those on the bottom.

What I do not understand is why Cu wouldn't react with Pb(NO3)2. Wouldn't Cu simply transfer two of its electrons to Pb, become positively charged, and form an ionic bond with NO3)2, resulting in Cu(NO3)2? Why would it being lower on the activity series than Pb prevent this from happening is my question.

Is it because the electrons always move from the more willing element to the less willing element without exception? That is the only explanation I can think of.
 
Tam Le said:
Is it because the electrons always move from the more willing element to the less willing element without exception?

That's the correct way of understanding the activity series. Actually the simplest way of producing the simplest form of the activity series is by putting a piece of one metal into the solution of ions of another metal. Put a piece of iron into the copper solution, copper deposits on the iron surface. Put a piece of copper in the solution of Fe2+, nothing happens. Which is more active? Exactly the same will happen when you do the test with lead and copper.

When you get deeper into these things you will learn reality is sometimes more complicated, but as rule of thumb activity series serves its purpose quite well.
 
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So, in some ways, the activity series is similar to heat flow: Heat flows from a hotter object to a colder object; electrons migrate from a more willing/better conductor to a less willing/poorer conductor. And if one wanted to reverse this flow/movement of electrons, work would have to be done.
 
I am not sure I like this analogy, but it is not entirely incorrect :wink:

Definitely chemical reactivity has nothing to do with how good a conductor metal is. Al is highly active, Ag is quite noble, both are good conductors, with many much worse conductors in between.
 
Also, Borek, are the two metals really not interacting?

Suppose copper metal is placed in a solution of ionic lead (Pb2+ (aq)). Then, according to what you said, nothing should happen, because Pb is more active than Cu.

However, I imagine that the electrons do momentarily transfer from Cu to Pb. It is just that, since Pb is more active, it transfers the electrons right away back to Cu. So, the net effect would appear to be that the two metals do not react/interact with each other.
 
There are equilibrium concentrations of both ions that can be calculated using Nernst equation. You will probably learn about it later.
 

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