Why Does Cramster Simplify Velocity Components Incorrectly in Physics Problems?

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The problem involves an elastic collision between two atoms of differing masses, where one atom is initially at rest. The original poster seeks to understand a specific mathematical step in a solution found on Cramster, particularly regarding the treatment of velocity components.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the simplification of velocity components in a solution, noting discrepancies in how the components are treated. Other participants ask for clarification on the original poster's equation and suggest that the equation may be incorrect.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the validity of the original poster's equation and the implications of treating velocity components differently. Some guidance has been offered regarding typical forms of velocity components, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the assumptions made in the Cramster solution, particularly regarding the distinction between x and y components of velocity. There is also mention of the complexity involved in deriving the equation in question.

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Homework Statement



This problem is from Modern Physics by Kenneth Krane 2nd ED

The problem is:

An atom of mass m moving in the x direction with speed v collides elastically with an atom of mass 3m at rest. After the collision the first atom moves in the y direction. Find the direction of motion of the second atom and the speeds of both atoms in terms of v after the collision.

Now my question is not how to solve this problem, it is to try and understand a math step involved in this problem from a solution off of cramster.

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On cramster they reduce this:

9v[itex]^{2}_{}[/itex]cos[itex]^{2}[/itex](x)+9v[itex]^{2}_{}[/itex]cos[itex]^{2}[/itex](x)

to this:

9v[itex]^{2}[/itex]

But when I did the problem and got down to their step I have this:

9v[itex]^{2}_{x}[/itex]cos[itex]^{2}[/itex](x)+9v[itex]^{2}_{y}[/itex]cos[itex]^{2}[/itex](x)

Those velocities are different components an x and a y, which they neglected to distinguish on cramster.

I know that:

3cos[itex]^{2}[/itex](x) + 3sin[itex]^{2}[/itex](x) = 3

But I don't see how they came to their conclusion because the x and y components could be different.

Thanks.
 
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If your equation is correct, you're right that it can't be reduced. Show us how you got your equation.
 
There is about 3 pages of work to get to that equation but I don't think I have made a mistake. So its pretty hard to post it. Also if I go by their solution they actually get the correct answer in the end but at the same time I'm very sure that they are indeed two different components. Thanks though.
 
Well, I'll just say your equation looks wrong. You almost always get vx or v cos θ, not the combination vxcos θ. Similarly, for the y-component.
 

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