Why does ice have no friction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of friction on ice, exploring why ice appears to have low friction compared to other surfaces. Participants examine the chemical and physical properties of ice, the role of pressure and melting, and the implications for activities like skating and sliding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why ice does not resist movement as much as other surfaces, seeking to understand the chemical properties involved.
  • Another participant suggests that sliding on ice causes it to melt at the interface, creating a thin layer of water that facilitates sliding.
  • A third participant cautions against the phrasing of "ice has no friction," indicating that ice has relatively low friction instead.
  • Further contributions emphasize that the melting of ice due to weight reduces friction, but some friction still exists, preventing indefinite sliding.
  • One participant introduces a common myth regarding the melting point of ice under weight, noting that while pressure can affect melting, a thin water film is always present due to surface effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of friction on ice, with some arguing that it has low friction due to melting while others clarify that friction is still present. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and mechanisms of friction on ice.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the properties of ice and the conditions under which sliding occurs. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of how pressure and temperature affect friction on ice.

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If you come in contact with any object, it is not going to resist your movement right, why doesn't ice do this much. What chemical property is responsible for this?When I slide in ice, am I coming into less contact with ice, I don't understand. Thanks :smile:
 
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when you slide on ice, you push with your weight. So it melts at the interface (ice and you). Therefore you slide. (sliding on thin layer of water..)
 
be careful when you say "why does ice have no friction" this is misleading compared to what you are asking since Ice doesn't have no friction but relatively little as you have identified.
 
like rajini has said, ice melts as you slide against it.
take into consideration the water formed as ice melts, it would decrease the friction between the ice and the object.
there would still be friction between ice and an object or you would be able to slide indefinitly
 
Rajini said:
when you slide on ice, you push with your weight. So it melts at the interface (ice and you). Therefore you slide. (sliding on thin layer of water..)

This is a common myth. The weight of a guy of 70 kg would cause a decrease of the melting point of ice which is on the order of 0.2 degrees. For skiing, sledging, and skating, friction causes a water film to build up which allows efficient skating. Apart from that a small water film of only a few nanometres thickness is always present due to pressure-independent surface effects.

See for example:
S. C. Colbeck, "Pressure melting and ice skating", American Journal of Physics, October 1995, Volume 63, Issue 10, pp. 888-890

for details.
 

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