Why Does p|aby' in Theorem 7.2.14?

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The discussion centers on Theorem 7.2.14 from "The Basics of Abstract Algebra" by Paul E. Bland, specifically focusing on the proof and the implications of the statement that if \( p \mid ab \), then \( p \mid a \) or \( p \mid b \). Participants are seeking clarification on the reasoning behind the assertion that \( p \mid aby' \).

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter requests clarification on how \( p \mid aby' \) follows from the proof of Theorem 7.2.14.
  • Some participants indicate that the assertion comes from the assumption that \( p \mid ab \) as stated in the proof.
  • One participant elaborates on the definitions of prime and irreducible elements in the context of integral domains, noting the importance of these concepts in the study of rings.
  • Another participant discusses the distinction between prime and irreducible elements, particularly in relation to integers and unique factorization domains (UFDs).
  • There is a mention of historical context regarding the development of algebraic number theory and its connection to Fermat's Last Theorem, although this is not directly related to the theorem in question.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of prime and irreducible elements, but there is no consensus on the specific reasoning behind the assertion \( p \mid aby' \) as it relates to the proof of Theorem 7.2.14. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of this specific point.

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The discussion includes various definitions and concepts that may not have been fully explained in the original post, which could affect understanding. There are also references to historical developments in mathematics that may not be directly relevant to the theorem itself.

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I am reading The Basics of Abstract Algebra by Paul E. Bland ...

I am focused on Section 7.2 Euclidean, Principal Ideal, Unique Factorization Domains ... ...

I need help with the proof of Theorem 7.2.14 ... ... Theorem 7.2.14 and its proof reads as follows:
View attachment 8275In the above proof by Bland we read the following:

"... ... But then $$a = apx' + aby' $$, so $$p|apx'$$ and $$p|aby'$$. ... ... "Can someone please explain exactly how/why $$p|aby'$$... ... ?

Peter
 
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Hi Peter,

That comes from the assumption that $p\mid ab$ (on line 3 of the proof).
 
castor28 said:
Hi Peter,

That comes from the assumption that $p\mid ab$ (on line 3 of the proof).
Thanks castor28 ...

Peter
 
This is a very important theorem in the study of rings. There are some definitions not mentioned in the OP and it is worth filling them in.

Let $D$ be an integral domain. An element $x\in D$, $x\ne0,e$, is said to be prime iff for any elements $a,b\in D$, if $x\mid ab$ then either $x\mid a$ or $x\mid b$. It is irreducible iff whenever $x=ab$ then either $a$ or $b$ is a unit (divisor of the multiplicative identity $e$). It easily follows from these definitions that in any domain $D$ every prime element is irreducible. The theorem says that when $D$ is a PID, the converse is also true.

This may not be how we are used to thinking of primes when dealing with the integers $\mathbb Z$. When we say that an integer $p\ne0,1$ is prime, we tend to think of $p$ as having no divisors other than $\pm1,$ and $\pm p$. Furthermore, $\mathbb Z$ is an ordered ring (i.e. has positive and negative elements) and so saying that $p\in\mathbb Z$ is prime usually means $p>1$ and has no factors other than $1$ and $p$. Strictly speaking, this is only thinking of $p$ as an irreducible rather than prime. However, as $\mathbb Z$ is a PID, the two definitions coincide and so the distinction is immaterial.

The distinction in the two definitions becomes important in the study of ideals and UFDs (unique-factorization domains) in algebraic-number theory. This branch of mathematics was initially developed to tackle Fermat’s last theorem: that the equation $x^n+y^n=z^n$ has no nonzero integer solutions in $x,y,z$ if $n$ is an integer greater than 2. The theory culminated in Kummer’s proof that the result holds if $n$ is a regular prime – which was the furthest the theory could go. The general proof continued to elude mathematicians until 1995, when Andrew Wiles succeeded in proving a special case of the Taniyama–Shimura conjecture relating elliptic curves and modular forms.
 
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Olinguito said:
This is a very important theorem in the study of rings. There are some definitions not mentioned in the OP and it is worth filling them in.

Let $D$ be an integral domain. An element $x\in D$, $x\ne0,e$, is said to be prime iff for any elements $a,b\in D$, if $x\mid ab$ then either $x\mid a$ or $x\mid b$. It is irreducible iff whenever $x=ab$ then either $a$ or $b$ is a unit (divisor of the multiplicative identity $e$). It easily follows from these definitions that in any domain $D$ every prime element is irreducible. The theorem says that when $D$ is a PID, the converse is also true.

This may not be how we are used to thinking of primes when dealing with the integers $\mathbb Z$. When we say that an integer $p\ne0,1$ is prime, we tend to think of $p$ as having no divisors other than $\pm1,$ and $\pm p$. Furthermore, $\mathbb Z$ is an ordered ring (i.e. has positive and negative elements) and so saying that $p\in\mathbb Z$ is prime usually means $p>1$ and has no factors other than $1$ and $p$. Strictly speaking, this is only thinking of $p$ as an irreducible rather than prime. However, as $\mathbb Z$ is a PID, the two definitions coincide and so the distinction is immaterial.

The distinction in the two definitions becomes important in the study of ideals and UFDs (unique-factorization domains) in algebraic-number theory. This branch of mathematics was initially developed to tackle Fermat’s last theorem: that the equation $x^n+y^n=z^n$ has no nonzero integer solutions in $x,y,z$ if $n$ is an integer greater than 2. The theory culminated in Kummer’s proof that the result holds if $n$ is a regular prime – which was the furthest the theory could go. The general proof continued to elude mathematicians until 1995, when Andrew Wiles succeeded in proving a special case of the Taniyama–Shimura conjecture relating elliptic curves and modular forms.
Thanks Olinguito ...

The above is a most interesting and helpful post ...

Thanks again,

Peter
 

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