Why does saltwater increase rate of corrosion?

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms by which saltwater increases the rate of corrosion, particularly focusing on the role of electrolytic conductivity and the effects of chloride ions in corrosion processes. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of corrosion in both static and dynamic environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that saltwater acts as a better electrolyte, facilitating charge transfer and influencing redox reactions, but the exact mechanism remains unclear.
  • One participant notes that lower resistance in the solution can speed up charge transfer, especially when oxidation and reduction reactions occur at different locations.
  • Another participant questions how electrolyte conductivity contributes to corrosion, suggesting that electron movement through the metal and the need for a closed circuit are critical factors.
  • It is suggested that free Na+ and Cl- ions may disrupt water molecules, potentially increasing the concentration of H+ and OH- ions, although this claim is challenged by others who argue the effect is negligible.
  • Some participants discuss the role of chloride ions in complexation with iron cations, which may influence corrosion kinetics but emphasize that the focus should be on corrosion rates rather than final equilibrium states.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of a closed circuit for the corrosion process, with one participant explaining that a buildup of charge can hinder further reactions.
  • The distinction between flowing seawater and static lab salt solutions is raised, indicating a potential difference in corrosion behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanisms of corrosion in saltwater, with no consensus reached on the specific contributions of electrolyte conductivity, the role of chloride ions, or the necessity of a closed circuit for the corrosion process.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the effects of ions on water autoionization and the significance of complexation in corrosion kinetics remain unresolved, highlighting the complexity of the interactions involved.

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Why does salt water increase rate of corrosion, really? Most common answer I read was that salt makes water a better electrolyte. No further explanation.

However, I'm not really getting the mechanism of this. I understand the mechanism of pitting corrosion in presence of chloride ions and I understand how chlorides break down the passive layer. Also, I'm ok with metal chlorides being more soluble so they do not form non-soluble layer of protection for protection from further corrosion.

However, how does being a better electrolyte make up for higher corrosion rate? In regular NaCl solution, for regular DC current, conductivity is achieved by chloride ions and hydrogen ions attraction towards charged electrodes and redox reactions (and transferring electrons through the loop), not by moving charges themselves. So how does conductivity make up for faster rusting, is there a reaction, a mechanism, an electron transfer? Where?
 
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Lower resistance of the solution definitely helps to speed up charge transfer, especially when redox centers (oxidation/reduction) are separated (that is, reactions don't take place in exactly the same spot).
 
Borek said:
Lower resistance of the solution definitely helps to speed up charge transfer, especially when redox centers (oxidation/reduction) are separated (that is, reactions don't take place in exactly the same spot).
But where does electrolyte conductivity take place here? If I have a reaction, for example, Fe ---> Fe2+ + 2e- , electrons move through the metal itself to the place where they will get "spent": H2O + (1/2)O2 + 2e- ---> 2OH- .

One other thing, as I see it, free Na+ and Cl- ions help to disrupt H2O molecules in a sense, encouraging them to also split into their respective H+ and OH- ions more often. Since there is higher concentration of OH- ions, OH- is getting removed from the solution by precipitating Fe2+ + 2OH- ---> Fe(OH)2, therefore shifting cathodic reaction to the right, and speeding up the process?

Second thing that comes to my mind is that chloride ions from the solution "remove" iron cations by reaction Fe2+ + 2Cl- ---> FeCl2 and therefore, shift reaction Fe ---> Fe2+ + 2e- to the right, furthermore speeding up the oxidation process. Is this correct?
 
Absentee said:
But where does electrolyte conductivity take place here? If I have a reaction, for example, Fe ---> Fe2+ + 2e- , electrons move through the metal itself to the place where they will get "spent": H2O + (1/2)O2 + 2e- ---> 2OH- .

This circuit is not closed yet.
 
Absentee said:
One other thing, as I see it, free Na+ and Cl- ions help to disrupt H2O molecules in a sense, encouraging them to also split into their respective H+ and OH- ions more often.

In general - they don't. Sure they use water molecules for solvation, but the effect on the water autoionization is negligible.

Absentee said:
Second thing that comes to my mind is that chloride ions from the solution "remove" iron cations by reaction Fe2+ + 2Cl- ---> FeCl2

To some extent complexation helps, no doubt about it. But that's less important. We are more interested in the corrosion kinetics than in the final equilibrium.
 
Borek said:
This circuit is not closed yet.
I think this is the part that's bugging me. Why does the circuit even need to be closed? Fe2+ keeps getting disolved and OH- keeps getting in the "solution". Do Na+ and Cl- work like a salt-bridge in a galvanic cell in a way, enabling to somewhat neutralize localized (anodic) positive charge (from Fe2+), and (cathodic) negative charge (from OH-) distribution ?
 
If the circuit is not closed you have a buildup of charge.

Let's start with a simplified model. We know both half reactions occur in separate places (not necessarily far from each other, but separated). Before the reaction:

Fe -------------------------- O2

System is neutral on both ends. Now the reaction proceeds and electrons move. After the reaction:

Fe2+ -------------------------- O22-

There are charges on both ends, and they will prevent further reaction, as electrons now have to move against the electric field (you can also think in terms of a potential difference being created in the system) which is much harder (requires much more work done). That's where closing the circuit comes in handy - it helps to discharge the system so that both ends become neutral again and the reaction can proceed further.
 
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Borek said:
If the circuit is not closed you have a buildup of charge.

Let's start with a simplified model. We know both half reactions occur in separate places (not necessarily far from each other, but separated). Before the reaction:

Fe -------------------------- O2

System is neutral on both ends. Now the reaction proceeds and electrons move. After the reaction:

Fe2+ -------------------------- O22-

There are charges on both ends, and they will prevent further reaction, as electrons now have to move against the electric field (you can also think in terms of a potential difference being created in the system) which is much harder (requires much more work done). That's where closing the circuit comes in handy - it helps to discharge the system so that both ends become neutral again and the reaction can proceed further.
Great, thanks!
 
Do you mean flowing sea water or static lab salt solutions ?
 
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Nidum said:
Do you mean flowing sea water or static lab salt solutions ?
Static.
 

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