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JDługosz
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I have some questions concerning the tendency of a system containing two different metals and water to corrode. This is coming from several similar discussions on another forum, concerning water cooling of computer components. There seems to be a lot of repeated dogma, which may include misinformation or critical omissions. I think I should check with some people who actually know about chemistry! Personally, I took a class in high school.
First, a basic question on half reaction charts and electrode potential: If you have to use different multiples of the basic half reaction on each side to balance the electrons, do you scale the potential E° as well?
Now, the main dogma among the WC enthusiasts is that it is best to use distilled water, with a tiny amount of copper sulfate or a piece of bulk silver (or both) added as a biocide. This circulates in a closed system containing copper and brass components. Customers and vendors were both surprised when nickle-plated components corroded, although that is exactly what you would expect. The vendor was assuming the use of a cooling fluid that contains anti-corrosives, while the enthusiasts eschew pre-made fluids, insisting that DI water is best, and then adding copper salts to it! This report is humorous in not knowing how to spell peel, but otherwise explains the situation well enough for me to follow, with some dim memory of half reactions.
Now I'm wondering about some more details. Given two different metals and a conductive fluid between them, what is the significance of the pre-existing ions in the solution? I see that existing Cu2+ ions plate themselves onto the cathode, and Ni+2 replace them in the solution, destroying the anode. So, is it especially significant and critical that the solution already had the same kind of ions that the cathode is made out of, to allow corrosion to occur?
What happens after time, when all the Cu from the CuSO4 is attached to the copper components?
In general, if the solution is conductive but not made from the same stuff as the cathode, how does the reaction work? Does the material from the anode plate itself onto the cathode? Does that mean there is another E° value for mixed materials that needs to be consulted?
Cases that are especially interesting involve Cu being the anode: Aluminum or silver being present in contact with the fluid.
Many thanks,
—John
First, a basic question on half reaction charts and electrode potential: If you have to use different multiples of the basic half reaction on each side to balance the electrons, do you scale the potential E° as well?
Now, the main dogma among the WC enthusiasts is that it is best to use distilled water, with a tiny amount of copper sulfate or a piece of bulk silver (or both) added as a biocide. This circulates in a closed system containing copper and brass components. Customers and vendors were both surprised when nickle-plated components corroded, although that is exactly what you would expect. The vendor was assuming the use of a cooling fluid that contains anti-corrosives, while the enthusiasts eschew pre-made fluids, insisting that DI water is best, and then adding copper salts to it! This report is humorous in not knowing how to spell peel, but otherwise explains the situation well enough for me to follow, with some dim memory of half reactions.
Now I'm wondering about some more details. Given two different metals and a conductive fluid between them, what is the significance of the pre-existing ions in the solution? I see that existing Cu2+ ions plate themselves onto the cathode, and Ni+2 replace them in the solution, destroying the anode. So, is it especially significant and critical that the solution already had the same kind of ions that the cathode is made out of, to allow corrosion to occur?
What happens after time, when all the Cu from the CuSO4 is attached to the copper components?
In general, if the solution is conductive but not made from the same stuff as the cathode, how does the reaction work? Does the material from the anode plate itself onto the cathode? Does that mean there is another E° value for mixed materials that needs to be consulted?
Cases that are especially interesting involve Cu being the anode: Aluminum or silver being present in contact with the fluid.
Many thanks,
—John