Why Does Simplifying an Irrational Equation Factor Lead to an Impossible Result?

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The discussion revolves around solving an equation involving irrational expressions, specifically $$a-2=-\sqrt{a^2-4}$$. Participants explore the implications of simplifying factors and the conditions under which certain operations, like division, can lead to contradictions.

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  • Participants discuss the consequences of dividing by the factor $$a-2$$ and the resulting contradictions. There is a focus on understanding when it is valid to simplify expressions and the implications of doing so without verifying conditions.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions made during the simplification process. Some have provided insights into the conditions required for the square root to be real and the implications of those conditions on the possible values of $$a$$.

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There are constraints regarding the values of $$a$$ based on the conditions derived from the square root, leading to discussions about the existence of real solutions. Participants note that $$a=2$$ emerges as a potential solution, but the validity of this solution is under scrutiny due to the division by zero issue.

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Homework Statement
$$a-2=-\sqrt{a^2-4}$$
Relevant Equations
none
For solving this equation I must take elevate to the square of each member, resulting in:
$$(a-2)^2=a^2-4 \rightarrow a=2$$
Now, the thing I noticed and don't get is that if you simplify a ##(a-2)## factor, the equation becomes impossible:
$$a-2=a+2$$
It must be a stupid thing which I'm missing...
 
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You divided by ##(a-2)##, which is zero!
 
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etotheipi said:
You divided by ##(a-2)##, which is zero!
Told you it would have been stupid😂... but how could I know in advance ##a-2## to be 0 if I still haven't found ##a##?
 
In general, you shouldn't divide by a term unless you have verified that it is not zero. You need to do it the long way!
 
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greg_rack said:
Homework Statement:: $$a-2=-\sqrt{a^2-4}$$
Relevant Equations:: none
greg_rack said:
but how could I know in advance a−2 to be 0 if I still haven't found a?
The first thing to notice here is that since ##-\sqrt{a^2 - 4}## is negative less than or equal to 0, then ##a - 2## also has to be negative less than or equal to 0. This implies that a < 2 ##a \le 2##.
Also, for the square root to be real, we must have ##a^2 - 4 \ge 0##. This implies that ##a \ge 2## or ##a \le -2##.
From these restrictions we see that there is no real solution possible only one solution possible.
greg_rack said:
For solving this equation I must take elevate to the square of each member, resulting in:
$$(a-2)^2=a^2-4 \rightarrow a=2$$
Now, the thing I noticed and don't get is that if you simplify a ##(a-2)## factor, the equation becomes impossible:
$$a-2=a+2$$
It must be a stupid thing which I'm missing...
 
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Mark44 said:
The first thing to notice here is that since ##-\sqrt{a^2 - 4}## is negative, then ##a - 2## also has to be negative. This implies that a < 2.
Also, for the square root to be real, we must have ##a^2 - 4 \ge 0##. This implies that ##a \ge 2## or ##a \le -2##.
From these restrictions we see that there is no real solution possible.

The only restriction on ##-\sqrt{a^2-4}## is ##-\sqrt{a^2 - 4} \leq 0##, so ##a=2## is a real solution.
 
My restriction was a tad too restrictive, and disallowed the possibility that ##-\sqrt{a^2 - 4}## could be zero.
The revised restrictions are ##a - 2 \le 0 \Rightarrow a \le 2## and ##a \ge 2## or ##a \le -2##. So ##a = 2## is the only possible solution.
I've edited my earlier post.
 
As far as how do you know you're dividing by zero, anytime you divide by anything you can just say "either the new equation is true, or the thing I divided by is zero" and then handle the two cases separately.
 
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