Why Does Substituting Into y^2 = 16x Yield t = 0?

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The problem involves determining the parameter \( t \) for a point \( P(4t^2, 8t) \) that lies on both a parabola defined by \( y^2 = 16x \) and a hyperbola defined by \( xy = 4 \). Participants are exploring the implications of substituting the coordinates into the equations of the curves.

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  • Participants discuss the substitution of coordinates into the parabola's equation and the resulting identity \( 64t^2 = 64t^2 \), questioning why this leads to \( t = 0 \) and whether this indicates a mistake in their approach.

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Some participants have pointed out that the identity obtained does not yield a unique solution for \( t \), suggesting that \( t \) can take on any real value. There is a recognition that the substitution into the parabola's equation serves to verify the parameters rather than provide a definitive solution.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly the validity of the parameterization for the parabola versus the hyperbola, and how this affects their findings regarding \( t \).

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The point P(4t^2, 8t) lies on the parabola C with equation y^2 = 16x. The point P also lies on the rectangular hyperbola H with equation xy = 4

a) Find the value of t, and hence find the co-ords of P.

working:
so x = 4t^2 and y = 8t
i sub these into xy = 4 and get t = 1/2 and can then find the points of P and thus answer the question

however if i sub x = 4t^2 and y = 8t into y^2 = 16x then I get:
(8t)^2 = 16(4t^2)
64t^2 = 64t^2
t = 0?

Could anyone tell me what I am doing wrong when subbing it into y^2 = 16x?
 
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You did nothing wrong, you just ended up with 0 = 0 which is true. So you only real solution it t = 1/2.
 
rock.freak667 said:
You did nothing wrong, you just ended up with 0 = 0 which is true. So you only real solution it t = 1/2.

I don't understand, shouldn't I get t = 1/2 no matter where I substitute the values into?
 
synkk said:
I don't understand, shouldn't I get t = 1/2 no matter where I substitute the values into?

Well for the parabola C, the parameter x=4t2, y = 8t is valid. However for the hyperbola, it is not. So you putting it back into the equation for C would just be verifying the parameters are correct.
 
When we arrange for t, the answer will be zero.
 
synkk said:
The point P(4t^2, 8t) lies on the parabola C with equation y^2 = 16x. The point P also lies on the rectangular hyperbola H with equation xy = 4

a) Find the value of t, and hence find the co-ords of P.

working:
so x = 4t^2 and y = 8t
i sub these into xy = 4 and get t = 1/2 and can then find the points of P and thus answer the question

however if i sub x = 4t^2 and y = 8t into y^2 = 16x then I get:
(8t)^2 = 16(4t^2)
64t^2 = 64t^2
t = 0?

Could anyone tell me what I am doing wrong when subbing it into y^2 = 16x?
The solution to 64t2 = 64t2 is that t can be any real number, not just t=0.
 

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