Why Does the 3s Hydrogen Wave Function Use the Polynomial (27-18σ+2σ²)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of the associated Laguerre polynomial for the 3s hydrogen wave function, specifically the polynomial (27-18σ+2σ²). Participants explore the discrepancies between their calculations and the formulations presented in a physical chemistry textbook, focusing on the definitions and transformations of the variable σ.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the associated Laguerre polynomial for the 3s hydrogen wave function is (27-18σ+2σ²) and expresses confusion over the differences from their own calculations, which yield (18-18σ+3σ²).
  • Another participant suggests that there are multiple representations of the Laguerre polynomial and inquires about the sources being used.
  • A participant proposes trying a different expression for σ, specifically σ = 2Zr/a, but doubts its effectiveness.
  • One participant shares a representation of the Laguerre polynomial and discusses its relation to the general wavefunction, indicating that for the 3s state, the polynomial should be L₂^{(1)}(2r/3a₀).
  • A later reply indicates that by setting σ = (2/3)σ', the two expressions can be related, suggesting that the difference may be due to a normalization factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the associated Laguerre polynomial, with no consensus reached on the correct representation or the source of the discrepancies.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the differences in polynomial representations may depend on the definitions used for σ and normalization factors, but these aspects remain unresolved.

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Hi, I am wondering why the associated Laguerre Polynomial for the 3s hydrogen wave function is (27-18σ+2σ2).
My physical chemistry book tells me that the complete hydrogen wave function is given by:
\Psi(r,\theta,\phi)= RnlY^{m}_{l}(\theta,\phi)
and Rnl(r) uses the Laguerre polynomial L^{1}_{3}(x)=-3!(3-3x+(1/2)x2).

How does this become (27-18σ+2σ2)? I understand that the σ = Zr/a0, but how does the 27 and 2 come about? According to my calculations it should be (18-18σ+3σ2).

Please help me! I've been wracking my brain about this for way too long and cannot seem to find how this difference from the wave function given in my book and the wave function I produced using the complete hydrogen atomic wave function form comes about.

Thank you!
 
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Off the top of my head - there are several representations of the Laguerre Polynomial.
Are you using two different sources? What are they?
 
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No, this is all from the same textbook. Which makes it that much more nerve racking!
 
chrisa88 said:
σ = Zr/a0
Try with σ = 2Zr/a instead.
 
I'm pretty sure that still does not work. From a quick look at it all that would give is (18-36σ+6σ2). I will discuss this with my teacher tomorrow, time is not permitting me to continue with this issue anymore.
 
Thank you all though!
 
I have: $$L_3^{(1)}=\frac{-x^3}{6}+2x^2-6x+4$$

But I see the polynomial in the general wavefunction given as $$L_{n-l-1}^{2l+1}\big(\frac{2r}{na_0}\big)$$

The 3s states would ne n=3, and l=0 ... so the polynomial is:

$$L_2^{(1)}\big(\frac{2r}{3a_0}\big) = \frac{1}{2}\big(\frac{2r}{3a_0}\big)^2-3\big(\frac{2r}{3a_0}\big)+3$$
 
chrisa88 said:
and Rnl(r) uses the Laguerre polynomial L^{1}_{3}(x)=-3!(3-3x+(1/2)x2).

How does this become (27-18σ+2σ2)? I understand that the σ = Zr/a0, but how does the 27 and 2 come about? According to my calculations it should be (18-18σ+3σ2).

If I set ##\sigma=\frac{2}{3}\sigma'## i get ## 18-18\sigma +3 \sigma^2=(18-18\frac{2}{3}\sigma'+3(\frac{2}{3}\sigma')^2)=2/3(27-18\sigma' +2\sigma'^2)##
So up to a change in normalization, your σ and the σ' in your book the seem to differ by a factor 2/3.
 

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