Why does the current take this path?

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The discussion revolves around understanding current flow in electrical circuits, specifically in relation to Kirchhoff's laws and the behavior of ideal voltmeters. The original poster is examining why current does not flow through a specific loop in their circuit analysis.

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  • The original poster questions the absence of current through a loop with an ideal voltmeter, pondering if this is due to the voltmeter's infinite resistance. Other participants discuss the implications of using ideal versus non-ideal voltmeters and the resulting current values.

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Participants are exploring the implications of ideal voltmeters on current flow, with some providing clarifications on how current behaves in circuits with infinite resistance. There is an ongoing examination of whether it is appropriate to show current paths in such scenarios, indicating a productive dialogue without a definitive consensus.

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There are references to specific measurements and the requirement for arrows indicating current flow in the circuit, as well as the distinction between ideal and non-ideal voltmeters affecting the analysis.

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Kirchhoff's laws

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(see attached file) I only included the work for measurement 1 since measurement 2 follows from that.

I got both voltage values correct. However the paths of the current flow was incorrect for both measurements. (See the attached file for solution) It specifically states that "Arrows to show that the current is only in the left hand loop i.e. not through R3." are needed, but I also included arrows for the RH loop.

My question: Why is there no current through the RH loop i.e. through R3? Is it because the voltmeter in that loop has an infinite resistance? If yes does this always apply?
 

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Direct answer to your question: With V = IR and R 'infinite' you get I = 0

[edit] a bit more:
AXRY said:
I also included arrows for the RH loop
In itself that isn't wrong at all. It's just that the value of the current comes out zero.
 
AXRY said:
If yes does this always apply
Still more: from the wording 'ideal voltmeter' you can guess that the answer is no. But it's almost true for nowadays digital meters. Old analog meters had a coil in a magnet and needed a little current (e.g. 50 ##\mu##A full scale) which gave them a finite internal resistance (20 k##\Omega##/V in the example) that you had to take into account seriously.
 
Would I normally show the path of the current in a loop with an ideal voltmeter even though I=0, I just feel like the current would still travel down that path. The solution specifying that there shouldn't be any arrows at all seems odd to me...
 
Consequence of the fact that the voltmeter must be considered ideal. Solution has an arrow and 0.5 A at left, nothing at right. An arrow and 0 A at the right to me would be a correct answer.
 

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