Why Does the Magnitude of r'(s) Equal 1 When s is the Arc Length Parameter?

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The discussion revolves around the proof that the magnitude of the derivative of a curve parameterized by arc length, denoted as ||r'(s)||, equals 1. The original poster presents a smooth curve defined by r(s) = x(s)i + y(s)j + z(s)k, where s is the arc length parameter. The inquiry seeks to understand why this property holds universally for all cases.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of the arc length parameter and its implications for the magnitude of the derivative. There are attempts to derive the relationship through differentiation of the integral that defines arc length. Questions arise about the application of the fundamental theorem of calculus and the implications of differentiating an integral.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, discussing various approaches to prove the statement. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the fundamental theorem of calculus and differentiation techniques. There is an acknowledgment of the specific conditions under which the property holds, particularly that ||r'(s)|| = 1 is valid only when s is the arc length parameter.

Contextual Notes

There is a recognition that the proof must consider the specific nature of the parameterization and that not all parameterizations will yield ||r'(t)|| = 1. This highlights the importance of understanding the definitions and assumptions related to arc length.

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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known

If C is a smooth curve given by
r(s)= x(s)i + y(s)j + z(s)k

Where s is the arc length parameter. Then

||r'(s)|| = 1.

My professor has stated that this is true for all cases the magnitude of r'(s) will always equal 1. But he wants me to PROVE it. ( of course not with an example)

2. Homework Equations

r(s)= x(s)i + y(s)j + z(s)k

r'(s)= x'(s)i + y'(s)j + z'(s)k

3. Attempt at the solution

To be quite honest, usually with math problems I will have some sort of attempt to try and solve it. But when it comes to proofs... I seem to get stuck.

Well I know I'm trying to prove that. ||r'(s)|| = 1

So the magnitude of r'(s)
Will be given by
SQRT[ x'(s)^2 + y'(s)^2 + z'(s)^2 ]

After this I don't know what I can do to make it equal 1. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
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You know ##s## is the arc-length parameter, so what does that mean?
 
Um, That it is measuring the length along the Curve ..
 
yazz912 said:
Um, That it is measuring the length along the Curve ..

Can you express that mathematically?
 
Unfortunately no:/
 
How do you calculate the arc length of a curve?
 
micromass said:
How do you calculate the arc length of a curve?
by integrating from a to b
On the following
sqrt[ x'(t)^2 + y'(t)^2 + z'(t)^2 ] dt
 
yazz912 said:
by integrating from a to b
On the following
sqrt[ x'(t)^2 + y'(t)^2 + z'(t)^2 ] dt

Right, so the length from ##0## to ##s## is defined as

\int_0^s \sqrt{(x^\prime(t))^2 + (y^\prime(t))^2 + (z^\prime(t))^2}dt

by definition of arc-lenght parameter, this is equal to ##s##. So

s = \int_0^s \sqrt{(x^\prime(t))^2 + (y^\prime(t))^2 + (z^\prime(t))^2}dt

Now differentiate both sides.
 
Will differentiating on the side with the integral wipe out the integral completely? Or would I have to integrate and then differentiate?
 
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Differentiating on the side with the integral, use the fundamental theorem of Calculus:
\frac{d}{ds}\left(\int_a^s f(t)dt\right)= f(s)
 
  • #11
HallsofIvy said:
Differentiating on the side with the integral, use the fundamental theorem of Calculus:
\frac{d}{ds}\left(\int_a^s f(t)dt\right)= f(s)
Ok so by using that theorem, to find the derivative of an integral. I have to plug my upper limit back into the function.

Which would be
SQRT[ x'(s)^2 + y'(s)^2 + z'(s)^2 ]

How does this prove that ||r'(t)|| always =1 where t is any parameter?
 
  • #12
Here's a hint for an alternate (easier) way. Use the chain rule for$$
\frac d {ds} \vec r(t) = r'(t)\cdot (?)$$by the chain rule. Work that out and calculate its length. You don't have to consider components.
 
  • #13
yazz912 said:
Ok so by using that theorem, to find the derivative of an integral. I have to plug my upper limit back into the function.

Which would be
SQRT[ x'(s)^2 + y'(s)^2 + z'(s)^2 ]

So far you have
<br /> s = \int_0^s \sqrt{x&#039;(t)^2 + y&#039;(t)^2 + z&#039;(t)^2}\,dt<br />
and have differentiated with respect to s to find
<br /> 1 = \sqrt{x&#039;(s)^2 + y&#039;(s)^2 + z&#039;(s)^2}.<br />
But the right hand side is exactly \|r&#039;(s)\|!

How does this prove that ||r'(t)|| always =1 where t is any parameter?

It doesn't, because it's not true that \|r&#039;(t)\| = 1 for any parameter: consider the line from (0,0,0) to (1,1,1) with the parametrization
<br /> (x,y,z) = (t,t,t),\qquad 0 \leq t \leq 1<br />
and compare it with the parametrization
<br /> (x,y,z) = (2u,2u,2u),\qquad 0 \leq u \leq \tfrac 12.<br />
The result \|r&#039;(s)\| = 1 holds only when s is arclength.
 

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