Why Does the Normal Force Decrease When Pulling Upward on an Object?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the normal force in the context of an object being pulled upward while also considering the effects of gravity and applied forces. The subject area includes concepts of forces, work, and friction.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring the relationship between the applied upward force and the normal force, questioning why the normal force decreases rather than increases with the applied force. There are discussions about the direction of force vectors and their impact on net force calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the vector nature of forces and the importance of free body diagrams. There is an acknowledgment of poor diagram quality, and a few participants are considering the scenario where the applied force increases until the object lifts off the surface, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of visualizing forces in diagrams and the need for clarity in representing the normal force and applied forces. There is also mention of assumptions regarding the state of motion and acceleration of the object.

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I am trying to solve a homework problem that involves Work and friction but don't understand why if a force pulling upward on the object, the normal force becomes N = mg - Fsin(o)

shouldn't it be N = mg + Fsin(o) since both forces are acting upwards? (the normal force and the force applied)
 
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These diagrams are terrible. The normal force vector should point the opposite direction. The normal force is the force on the object exerted by the contact surface. The object is pulled downward by gravity, and in turn, the ground pushes upwards on the object. Notice that if you write it like that, you can add the vectors algebraically to get the net force, and then if you assume no acceleration, you should be able to see why the correct expression is N = mg - F \sin(\theta).
 
axmls said:
These diagrams are terrible. The normal force vector should point the opposite direction. The normal force is the force on the object exerted by the contact surface. The object is pulled downward by gravity, and in turn, the ground pushes upwards on the object. Notice that if you write it like that, you can add the vectors algebraically to get the net force, and then if you assume no acceleration, you should be able to see why the correct expression is N = mg - F \sin(\theta).
I think you are overstating the case. In general, a normal force is a compression at a boundary between objects. That is, there is a pair of equal and opposite forces. Which you consider to be 'the' normal depends on your perspective. As far as the ground is concerned, the normal force is as shown in the diagrams.
That said, drawing F as a force applied to the block but N as a force the block applies to the ground is certainly inconsistent. A free body diagram should show all the forces from the same point of view.
 
David Donald said:
I am trying to solve a homework problem that involves Work and friction but don't understand why if a force pulling upward on the object, the normal force becomes N = mg - Fsin(o)

I agree the diagrams are poor.

Imagine if the applied force F was vertical (pulling upwards) and you increased F slowly from zero until the object just lifted off the surface. The Normal force would reduce and reach zero as the block lifts off.
 

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