Why does the 'Number 9 Phenomenon' always work in integer systems?

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The 'Number 9 Phenomenon' operates on the principle of divisibility in base systems, specifically base 10, where it consistently results in 9 when following a specific digit manipulation process. This occurs because subtracting the sum of a number's digits from the original number yields a result that is divisible by 9, as demonstrated through mathematical representation. The phenomenon is not an anomaly but rather a characteristic of the decimal system, reflecting the properties of numbers in different bases. For any integer greater than one digit, this property holds true, reinforcing the connection between digit sums and divisibility. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the inherent mathematical structure that governs these outcomes across various numeral systems.
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I have seen this number "trick" throughout the years and have never been able to figure out the mechanism. I'm sure most of you are familiar with it, and probably have a simple solution. Here it is for those who are not aware:

take any number greater than 9

add up all of the digits of this number

subtract the sum from the original number

simplify this number by adding the digits until you get down to a single digit...it will ALWAYS be 9

example:

384773

3+8+4+7+7+3 = 32

384773-32 = 384741

3+8+4+7+4+1 = 27

2+7 = 9

Anyone know what's going on here?
 
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MrModesty said:
Anyone know what's going on here?

10 = 9*1 + 1, so x + 10 is divisible by 9 exactly when x + 1 is divisible by 9. This let's you move the tens place to the ones place:

37 = 27 + 10 -> 27 + 1 = 18 + 10 -> 18 + 1 = 9 + 10 -> 10 = 0 + 10 -> 1

so 37 is not divisible by 9 (it leaves a remainder of 1). In fact, this let's you move the hundreds place down to the 1s place in the same way, since 100 = 9*11 + 1. Etc.

For base b, this trick works for divisibility by b-1. Since you're using base 10, it works for 9. If you use hexadecimal, it works for divisibility by 15.
 
CRGreathouse said:
10 = 9*1 + 1, so x + 10 is divisible by 9 exactly when x + 1 is divisible by 9. This let's you move the tens place to the ones place:

37 = 27 + 10 -> 27 + 1 = 18 + 10 -> 18 + 1 = 9 + 10 -> 10 = 0 + 10 -> 1

so 37 is not divisible by 9 (it leaves a remainder of 1). In fact, this let's you move the hundreds place down to the 1s place in the same way, since 100 = 9*11 + 1. Etc.

For base b, this trick works for divisibility by b-1. Since you're using base 10, it works for 9. If you use hexadecimal, it works for divisibility by 15.

So it's the system of mathematics that we're using? Not a naturally occurring anomaly?
 
MrModesty said:
So it's the system of mathematics that we're using? Not a naturally occurring anomaly?

Anything that has to do with the decimal digits of a number will naturally need to use the fact that the base is 10. :cool:
 
You could also look at it this way:
1) Assume you have a 4 digit number ABCD
2) This can be represented by 1000A + 100B + 10C + D
3) If you add the digits together, you get A + B + C + D
4) Subtract the result of 3) from the result of 2). You get: (1000A + 100B + 10C + D) - (A + B + C + D) = 999A + 99B + 9C
5) Which is divisible by 9: 9 x (99A + 9B + C)
6) Any number evenly divisible by 9 has the following property: add all of the digits of the number to get a new number, continue this until you only have one digit, the result is always 9

(Now the job is to prove #6)


You can easily see that this will work for any integer with 'n' digits such that n > 1
 
This is a property of the largest intger for any base number system . 1 in binary, 2 in base 3, 7 in base 8, and F in hexadecimal, all share the "magic" that comes with being the largest integer.
 
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