Why Does the Osculating Circle Formula Involve Derivatives?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the osculating circle and its relationship to the radius of curvature of curves, particularly focusing on the mathematical formula involving derivatives. Participants explore the reasoning behind the inclusion of first and second derivatives in the formula for calculating the radius of curvature.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their understanding of the osculating circle and its application to the curve y=x^2, noting a specific radius of curvature.
  • Another participant explains that the radius of curvature is related to the concavity of a curve, which is connected to the second derivative, suggesting that this is why the formula includes first and second derivatives.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the mathematical meaning of "circle that best fits the curve at a point," indicating a need for further clarification on this concept.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to a Wikipedia article on curvature for additional information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between concavity and the derivatives involved in the radius of curvature, but there is uncertainty regarding the precise mathematical interpretation of the osculating circle concept.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the participant's confusion about the mathematical definition of the osculating circle or the implications of the formula for radius of curvature.

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Hi guys!
I learned yesterday what an osculating circle is and I am learning how to find the radius of curvature of some curves. For example I have found that for y=x^2 the radius of the osculating circle for the point [0,0] is 0.5 (That's why circular mirror works similarly to parabolic mirror, with the focus equal to radius/2, right?)
I found that result using non standard analysis, but I know that there is a formula that is used to find the radius of curvature.
\frac{(1+y'^2(x))^{3/2}}{|y''(x)|}
What I can figure out is why this formula can calcuate the radius, i do not understand why there are the first and the second derivatives of the function. Do you know how to demonstrate this formula?

Thanks,
Ele38
 
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The problem is that radius is defined for circles. The notion of "radius of curvature" for a general curve has to be defined. As you might expect, the greater the concavity of a curve, the quicker it is turning, much as a circle with a small radius turns sharply. Since concavity is tied to the second derivative, it is not surprising that the notion of radius of curvature involves first and second derivatives. Once you have that notion defined, the osculating circle is the circle that best fits the curve at a point. Google osculating circle to find more details and some nice animations.
 
Thank you, I did not think about concavity. What is "obscure" to me is what doest "circle that best fits the curve at a point" means in math language...
 

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