Given circle, find the line of bearing of tan lines thru 0,0

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The discussion revolves around finding the angles of tangent lines from the origin to a circle defined by its center and radius in the coordinate plane. Participants explore the geometric relationships and mathematical formulations involved in determining these angles, considering various properties of circles and tangents.

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  • One participant proposes finding a general equation in terms of the circle's center coordinates, radius, and an angle to determine the tangent line angles with the x-axis.
  • Another participant suggests that the tangent line at the point of contact with the circle is perpendicular to the radius, indicating a relationship involving trigonometric functions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether observed relationships are coincidental or indicative of a broader theorem, suggesting further exploration of geometric properties.
  • A participant references a Wikipedia article on tangent lines to circles, indicating a potential theorem related to the intersection of tangent lines and circle centers.
  • One participant notes an error in their diagram but believes their calculations remain valid, indicating ongoing refinement of their understanding.

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Participants express various hypotheses and observations, but no consensus is reached regarding the existence of a theorem or the validity of specific relationships. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple viewpoints presented.

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Some participants mention specific geometric relationships and calculations, but there are indications of missing assumptions or unresolved mathematical steps that could affect the conclusions drawn.

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This question occurred to me a few days ago and it's been bugging me ever since.

Consider a circle in the coordinate plane with center P(x,y) and radius R, where R < D, D being the distance from the origin to the circle's center.

There are two lines tangent to the circle (T1 and T2) that pass through the origin.

The circle's location can also be considered as a line segment of radius D and some angle Θ with the x axis.

How can I find a general equation in terms of x, y, R, and Θ to determine the angle each tangent line makes with the x axis?

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Solution found:

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Adding Θs to Θdx should yield the bearing for the other tangent line.
 
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You might consider that where the line hits the circle it will be perpendicular to some radius so you have some D length and some angle that D makes with the X axis and some trig to mix into get your answer.
 
jedishrfu said:
You might consider that where the line hits the circle it will be perpendicular to some radius so you have some D length and some angle that D makes with the X axis and some trig to mix into get your answer.

Solved. The help is appreciated.
 
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I can't tell if this is just a coincidence of the values I chose, but the distance from the x-axis to the circle's center (Dy) worked out to be equal to the distance from the origin to the tangent line's intersection (T). Weird.
 
srcs said:
I can't tell if this is just a coincidence of the values I chose, but the distance from the x-axis to the circle's center (Dy) worked out to be equal to the distance from the origin to the tangent line's intersection (T). Weird.

This may be a theorem and might be proven if you think about it more abstractly. You are actually saying that drawing a circle with center at the origin that passes through the original circle's center will intersect at the tangent line points.

Perhaps @Mark44 could verify your observation and point to the theorem if it exists as I don't know for sure.

Edit: okay I think this is it on Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent_lines_to_circles

Look down a bit in the article to see two intersecting circles and how tangent lines from one circle go through the center of another.
 
jedishrfu said:
This may be a theorem and might be proven if you think about it more abstractly. You are actually saying that drawing a circle with center at the origin that passes through the original circle's center will intersect at the tangent line points.

Perhaps @Mark44 could verify your observation and point to the theorem if it exists as I don't know for sure.

Edit: okay I think this is it on Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent_lines_to_circles

Look down a bit in the article to see two intersecting circles and how tangent lines from one circle go through the center of another.
Thanks, this is interesting. Also I just noticed an error in my second diagram when I renamed my variables: Θty should beΘtx everywhere except in the cutout triangle, where it's correctly labeled. I'm pretty sure the calculations themselves are still correct. I'll update the image.

Never mind, the OP no longer has an edit option. I'll just post it here.

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