Why does the photoelectric effect only occur above a certain frequency of light?

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The discussion revolves around the photoelectric effect, specifically addressing why electrons are emitted from a metal plate only when the frequency of incident monochromatic light exceeds a certain threshold. Participants are exploring the relationship between light frequency, energy, and the photon theory versus wave theory of light.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss energy levels in atoms and the relevance of the photon energy equation E=hf. Questions arise regarding the implications of the energy equations in relation to the work function and maximum kinetic energy of emitted electrons.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the equations related to the photoelectric effect, with some participants suggesting that understanding these formulas is crucial for addressing the threshold frequency. The discussion includes varying interpretations of how wave theory fails to explain the phenomenon compared to photon theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of specific equations in their initial statements and express uncertainty about how to effectively use the formulas in their explanations. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the concept of threshold frequency and its implications in the context of the photoelectric effect.

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Homework Statement


When monochromatic light is incident on a metla plate,electrons are emmited only when the frequency of light exceeds a certain frequency.
Explain in terms of energy, why this threshold frequency exist and why photon theory of light provides a better explnation of the photorlrctric effect than a wave theory of light.


Homework Equations


none that i know of


The Attempt at a Solution


Its not really a solution but i have talked about energy levels and in atoms and things like that.
 
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ffrog said:

Homework Equations


none that i know of

The equation for the energy of a photon would definitely be relevant.
 
what E=hf or do you want the photoelectric equartion and how do either of them prove it
fh=workfunction+Ek(max)
 
Yes, those equations.

What can you say about Ek if hf is less than the work function?
 
so what you are suggesting is me saying look at the formula it gives you proof?
sorry but i am not sure that will fly
 
No, I'm not suggesting you say "look at the formula" as your answer. I'm suggesting that you should look at the formula and think about it before coming up with your answer. :smile:

Ek(max) = hf - workfunction​

What would hf < workfunction imply about Ek?
 
I get that it says a minimum frequency is required and there is a maximum energy required but you have failed to prove this bit which is my hardest

why this threshold frequency exist and why photon theory of light provides a better explnation of the photorlrctric effect than a wave theory of light.
 
Well if we use wave theory, then no matter the frequency, as long as the light supplies energy eventually, the electrons should gain enough energy to be emitted. But this doesn't occur in practice.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Well if we use wave theory, then no matter the frequency, as long as the light supplies energy eventually, the electrons should gain enough energy to be emitted. But this doesn't occur in practice.

oh my god thankyou i didnt know that and that's all i wanted to here that solves my whole problem.
 

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