Why Does the Root Sum Calculation for a Polynomial's Derivative Confuse Many?

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The discussion revolves around a polynomial function, specifically the quintic polynomial 3x5 - 250x3 + 735x, and its derivatives. Participants are exploring the calculation of the sum of the x-coordinates of the polynomial's relative extrema and points of inflection, which are claimed to occur at integer lattice points.

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  • Participants are examining the roots of the first and second derivatives of the polynomial to determine the sum of the x-coordinates. There is confusion regarding the correct interpretation of these sums, particularly in relation to the original poster's assertion that the sum is 0 versus the HMMT solution's claim of 75. Some participants are attempting to clarify the calculations by factoring the derivatives and identifying the roots.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations and calculations. There is a notable lack of consensus, as the original poster expresses confusion about the HMMT solution's results. Some guidance has been offered through the factoring of the derivatives, but further clarification is still needed.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion. The original poster's misunderstanding of the sums and the factors involved is a point of contention.

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The question is :"The polynomial 3x5-250x3+735x is interesting because it has the maximum possible number of relative extrema and points of inflection at integer lattice points for a quintic polynomial. What is the sum of the x-coordinates of these points?"

I think the answer is 0, but it's wrong.

My solution is :"The first derivative is 15x4-750x2+735, whose roots are -7,-1,1 and 7. The second derivative is 60x3-1500x,whose roots are 0,-5,5. Then, the sum is 0."

The HMMT solution is "The first derivative is 15x4-750x2+735, whose roots sum to 750/15=50. The second derivative is 60x3-1500x,whose roots sum to 1500/60=25, for a grand total of 75."

I really can't understand how it get the sum 50 and 25...Please help me.

Thanks...
 
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The only thing I can say is that they appear to be talking about the sum of x2 where x is a zero of the polynomial:
[tex]15x^4-750x^2+735= 15(x^2- 1)(x^2- 49)[/tex]
so x2= 1 and 49 which add to 50 and
[tex]60x3-1500x= 60 x(x^2- 25)[/tex]
so x2= 0 and 25 which add to 25.
 
HallsofIvy said:
The only thing I can say is that they appear to be talking about the sum of x2 where x is a zero of the polynomial:
[tex]15x^4-750x^2+735= 15(x^2- 1)(x^2- 49)[/tex]
so x2= 1 and 49 which add to 50 and
[tex]60x3-1500x= 60 x(x^2- 25)[/tex]
so x2= 0 and 25 which add to 25.

i think so...
but since we have +7 and -7 and so on...why isn't it 150?
 
thank you all the way...
 

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