Why does the which path information collapse the wave function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of wave function collapse in the context of the double slit experiment, particularly focusing on the implications of "which path" information and the behavior of polarized photons. Participants explore theoretical interpretations, experimental setups, and the nature of quantum measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if one can deduce which slit a particle went through, it behaves classically, while if this information is unavailable, it exhibits quantum behavior, such as creating an interference pattern.
  • Others argue that the particle behaves in a quantum manner at all times, and the distinction lies in how measurement affects the system, rather than a collapse of the wave function.
  • A participant mentions that the presence of a "which-way" detector can be designed to not disturb the photon, yet questions how this is possible without affecting the system.
  • There is a hypothesis suggesting that if a particle is modified in some way at one slit, it does not recognize itself, leading to a lack of interference.
  • Some participants discuss the role of interaction in measurement, suggesting that it is the process of obtaining information that leads to wave function collapse, rather than the information itself.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of experiments involving polarized photons, particularly regarding how different polarizations affect interference patterns.
  • One participant emphasizes that interference is a result of the quantum mechanical setup rather than a process of self-interference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the nature of wave function collapse and the role of measurement in quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the double slit experiment with polarized photons or the implications of "which path" information.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that understanding the underlying physics is crucial for grasping the complexities of the discussion, particularly regarding quantum entanglement and the preparation of quantum states in experiments.

  • #31
San K said:
On the other hand...how we can say that - all the attributes (all the possible choices) exist until measurement is performed?
then the reality is omni-existent
 
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  • #32
then the reality is omni-existent
In so far as "omniexistent" means" exists everywhere" then this would be correct, yes: reality is everywhere. If that's not what you mean then you'll have to clarify this use of the term.

I actually liked The following question from Audioloop, in responce to Mark_M's it's meaningless to speak of any of those observable properties prior to measurement, showing up in the email notification, but it seems to have been deleted:
[If] then, position does not exist, and consecuently(sic) without position there is no displacement, how can exist a trajectory then ?
A single classical trajectory, indeed, has no fundamental existence... however, we see trajectories all the time, for instance: in bubble chambers. The answer is that the classical trajectory shown in such things exists on average as an emergent phenominon due to many small interactions. You'll notice that the bubble trajectory has a width ... i.e. an uncertainty in the particle's position over time? However, it's still meaningless to speak of the particle's position prior to measurement. The trajectory shown is the result of many successive measurements. That's how you see it.

So the next step in the inquiry is to place a 2-slit experiment in a bubble chamber (or appropriate analog) isn't it? Then you can follow the rough trajectories from source to screen. ;)
 
  • #33
Simon Bridge said:
In so far as "omniexistent" means" exists everywhere" then this would be correct, yes: is everywhere. If that's not what you then you'll have to clarify this use of the term.

I actually liked The following question from Audioloop, in responce to Mark_M's it's meaningless to speak of any of those observable properties prior to measurement, up in the email notification, but it seems to have been deleted:A single classical trajectory, indeed, has no fundamental existence... however, we see trajectories all the time, for instance: in . The answer is that the classical trajectory shown in such things exists on average as an emergent phenominon due to many small interactions. You'll notice that the bubble trajectory has a width ... i.e. an uncertainty in the particle's over time? However, it's still meaningless to speak of the particle's prior to measurement. The trajectory shown is the result of many successive measurements. That's how you see it.

So the next step in the inquiry is to place a 2-slit experiment in a bubble chamber (or appropriate analog) isn't it? Then you can follow the rough trajectories from source to screen. ;)

and have a direction, it don't go to anyplace, nor does it come from all places.
 
  • #34
If you place just one detector behind one of the slits(A and B, say you place the detector behind A) and shoot one electron and the detector doesn't register anything, it means you 'collapsed' the wavefunction without interacting with the electron in any way(complementairy requires that the electron went through the other). The information of the which path collapsed the wavefunction without interaction.
 
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