Why doesn't the image of a group have the same cardinality as the group?

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The discussion centers on understanding why the cardinality of the image of a group homomorphism θ: G → G' does not necessarily equal the cardinality of the group G itself. Participants note that the lack of a one-to-one correspondence between G and its image is a key reason for this difference. It is clarified that the image is a subgroup of G', not G, and if the homomorphism is not onto, the image will be a proper subset. The first isomorphism theorem is mentioned as a potential tool for further understanding this concept. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the relationship between group homomorphisms and cardinality.
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I was doing one of the proofs for my abstract algebra class, and we had to prove that the cardinality of the image of G, [θ(G)] is a divisor lGl. I'm trying to intuitively understand why G and it's image don't necessarily have the same cardinality. I'm thinking it's because there isn't necessarily a one to one correspondence, if there is then they have the same cardinality, but if they don't then the cardinality of the image is less than the cardinality of G, am I thinking along the right track here? This isn't a homework problem, but I came across it in my work. Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks
 
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The image of G in what function?
 
@HallsofIvy: Sorry, should have been more clear. For θ:G → G' and it's a group homomorphism. I was writing the proof for it, and was wondering.
 
SMA_01 said:
@HallsofIvy: Sorry, should have been more clear. For θ:G → G' and it's a group homomorphism. I was writing the proof for it, and was wondering.

What are you allowed to use? If you know that the image of a homomorphism is a subgroup and you know the order of a subgroup divides the order of the group, you're done. Otherwise you'll have to prove one or both of those facts from first principles.
 
@SteveL27: The image would be a subgroup of G', right, not G? I was just wondering, why the image of G and G itself don't necessarily have the same cardinality? I guessed this was because the map from G to G' is not necessarily one-to-one and onto, but not sure if I'm correct.
 
SMA_01 said:
@SteveL27: The image would be a subgroup of G', right, not G? I was just wondering, why the image of G and G itself don't necessarily have the same cardinality? I guessed this was because the map from G to G' is not necessarily one-to-one and onto, but not sure if I'm correct.

Yes of course. Sorry, little brain hiccup at my end. Nevermind what I wrote. You're right, if the homomorphism's not onto then the image will be a proper subset of G'.

(edit) Ok I owe you a better hint. Do you know the first isomorphism theorem?
 
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We recently covered that actually, and considering this is a hint, I'm going to look into it and see if it clarifies things. Thanks!
 

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