Why don't ion thrusters work within the atmosphere?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the functionality of ion thrusters within the atmosphere, exploring the reasons why these propulsion systems are deemed impractical for atmospheric travel compared to their operation in the vacuum of space. The conversation touches on theoretical and conceptual aspects of ion propulsion and its limitations in the presence of air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that ion thrusters cannot operate effectively in the atmosphere due to the presence of external ions, which may interfere with the engine's operation.
  • Others argue that the primary issue is the need for low pressure within the ion thruster chamber, as normal atmospheric pressure would disrupt the plasma formation and ion acceleration processes.
  • One participant highlights the significant drag created by air as a major factor, noting that in space, minimal drag allows for small forces to result in high velocities over time.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the ion engine's mechanism relies on a clear path for ions to accelerate; the intrusion of air molecules causes ions to collide with them, diffusing the thrust and reducing effectiveness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons for the ineffectiveness of ion thrusters in the atmosphere. While some focus on the interference from external ions, others emphasize the impact of atmospheric pressure and drag. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the operation of ion thrusters, such as the necessity of low pressure for plasma generation and the effects of drag, but do not fully explore the implications of these assumptions or their dependencies.

yrjosmiel
Messages
53
Reaction score
5
So I was reading about ion propulsion when I read this:
Ion thrust engines are practical only in the vacuum of space and cannot take vehicles through the atmosphere because ion engines do not work in the presence of ions outside the engine. Additionally, the engine's minuscule thrust cannot overcome any significant air resistance. Spacecraft rely on conventional chemical rockets to initially reach orbit.
-Wikipedia

I understand the fact that drag will be too powerful for the ion thruster to overcome. However, why does it matter when there are foreign ions? Does the magnetic field of the grids pull ions from the atmosphere, thus pulling the entire thing backwards?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The Wikipedia sentence "...cannot take vehicles through the atmosphere because ion engines do not work in the presence of ions outside the engine..." is nonsense.

The pressure inside ion thruster chambers must generally be very low in order to i) effectively make a plasma in the chamber and to ii) effectively accelerate the generated ions to high speeds. When air at normal pressure would enter the chamber, the processes would break down.
 
I think a large part of it is that air creates an immense drag on the vessel.. In space there is virtually no drag, so even a small, steady force applied over long periods of time will make something achieve great velocities, while in air, you'd essentially never get yourself moving
 
Drag is secondary to the problem that Lord Jestocost highlighted, the ion engine functions by accelerating ions electro statically. That requires a clear path for the ions to accelerate in. If air intrudes, the ions bounce off the air molecules instead and the acceleration is so diffused that thrust is lost.
 

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
5K
Replies
27
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
6K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
10K
Replies
4
Views
3K