Why don't strings have a huge Planck mass?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why strings, which are theorized to have a Planck length, do not correspondingly possess a huge Planck mass. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding the relationship between string tension, vibrational modes, and energy contributions, considering both classical and quantum perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a string's negative gravitational self-energy might counterbalance its potential huge mass/energy due to its Planck length.
  • Another participant notes that the zeroth oscillations of a string are nearly massless, while other vibrational modes have higher masses that could be comparable to Planck mass.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that any string under tension has an energy derived from its tension, which implies a Planck mass based on the formula Energy=Tension*Distance, regardless of oscillation states.
  • One participant discusses the implications of normal ordering in the quantization of bosonic strings, indicating that the lowest energy level after normal ordering is effectively zero.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the balance between positive energy from momentum uncertainty and negative energy from tension, suggesting a narrative around this balance.
  • Questions arise regarding the contributions of tensional and vibrational energy, particularly in relation to the zero energy state in 26 dimensions and how it relates to the first excited state of the string.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the lowest oscillatory energy level is zero, but multiple competing views remain regarding the contributions of tensional and vibrational energies, and the overall energy balance in strings. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the implications of these energies.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about energy contributions, the definitions of tension and oscillation states, and the mathematical treatment of energy in different dimensions. These aspects are not fully resolved within the thread.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying string theory, quantum field theory, and the interplay between classical and quantum energy concepts in theoretical physics.

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If a string has a Planck length then why doesn't it have a huge Planck mass?

Perhaps it does but its negative gravitational self-energy counteracts this huge positive mass/energy.

Maybe a closed string can be thought of as a Planck energy electromagnetic wave trapped by its own gravitational field so that it is forced to orbit itself in a Planck scale loop. The positive rotational energy of the wave would be exactly balanced by the negative gravitational field so that the total rest mass/energy of the object would be zero. Maybe this would be a model of a graviton.
 
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The zeroth oscillations of string are (nearly) massless. All other vibrational modes have higher masses and should be comparable to Planck mass.
 
But, as I understand it, any string is under a huge tension of c^4/G. If it is a Planck length long then Energy=Tension*Distance implies that it has a Planck mass just from its tension alone regardless of how it is oscillating.

I think this tensional energy is in fact negative and purely classical gravitational in origin rather than quantum as can be seen from the fact that the expression for the tension involves G but not hbar. It is the quantum uncertainty in the string's momentum which provides the positive energy which balances this negative gravitational energy.
 
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In the quantization of the bosonic string several consistency conditions emerge lead to a state space similar to the harmonic oscillator. After normal ordering of the Hamiltonian the "1/2" of the ground state energy disappears from the spectrum, so the lowest energy level is something like "string tension times zero" which is of course zero.

See e.g. http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/9411/9411028v1.pdf
 
Thanks. I'll have a look at the Polchinski workshop paper but it looks too advanced for me to follow.

So you are saying that the lowest *oscillatory* energy level is zero.

Fair enough.

But I still think there is a story to be told about the balance between the positive energy in the string due to its uncertainty in momentum and the negative energy contained in its tension.
 
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Why choose "normal ordering" of the creation and annihilation operators rather than any other scheme of ordering?

I wish I could get more of a handle on this stuff but it is too technical for me!

Normal ordering is used in quantum field theory to have an empty vacuum state. An annihilation operator should annihilate the vacuum - that's the very reason for the name. The commutator generates the "1/2". This is typically dropped to have a vacuum with zero energy. There is no rigorous proof, it's just a physical argument to set the vacuum energy scale to zero.
 
Sorry I've just edited the thread under you.

I accept that the lowest *oscillatory* energy level is zero.

But as I said above:

I still think there is a story to be told about the balance between the positive energy in the string due to its uncertainty in momentum and the negative energy contained in its tension.
 
I am also looking for such a story... What are the contribution of tensional energy (streching the string) and vibrational energy. What is the zero energy in 26 dimensions of the first excited state? Is it simply zero? Than what about the tensional energy, is it not present? Or, in other words, take the masless particule in 26 dimensions, how comes the the total energy (vibrational and tensional) of the first excited state is zero? I expected only the virbational energy to be zero, I did not expect the tensional energy... Any help here?
 

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