Why don't they teach Quantum Physics in high school?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reasons why quantum physics is not typically taught in high schools, exploring the prerequisites in mathematics and physics, the feasibility of self-study, and the potential for developing high school curricula that incorporate quantum mechanics concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express frustration that quantum mechanics (QM) is not included in high school curricula, citing personal interest and the need to learn online.
  • Others suggest that self-study is a viable option, provided students have a solid understanding of the necessary mathematics.
  • It is noted that a formal understanding of QM requires knowledge of calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations, which may not be accessible to all high school students.
  • Some participants argue that while QM can be introduced at a high school level, it often remains superficial without rigorous mathematical grounding.
  • A participant shares their experience teaching QM concepts using Feynman's approach, suggesting that graphical methods could make the subject more accessible to high school students.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of funding and resources for schools to offer advanced science courses, which may limit the availability of QM education.
  • Some participants mention that in certain countries, like Germany, QM is taught at a later high school stage, incorporating basic concepts without deep mathematical derivations.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for summer programs or weekend courses at colleges that could include QM for high school students.
  • Participants express differing views on the value of introducing QM concepts in a hand-wavy manner to build intuition for future studies.
  • Concerns are voiced about the quality of some educational materials related to QM, with references to misleading or inaccurate representations of the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a solid mathematical foundation is necessary to understand QM, but there is no consensus on whether high schools should teach QM or how it should be approached. Multiple competing views exist regarding the feasibility and value of self-study and the potential for high school curricula.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying levels of mathematical preparedness among students, differences in educational systems across countries, and the challenge of fitting advanced topics into existing curricula without sacrificing foundational subjects.

  • #31
QuantumKangaroo said:
In some places they do. Here in Ontario, Quantum Mechanics is one of the units of Grade 12 Physics. Just thought i'd put that out there.

This is really an old thread. But still, you should read the entire thread, because you need to define, at this level, what you mean by "teach" and what you mean by "quantum mechanics". I seriously doubt that the kids are being taught how to solve the Schrödinger Equation, which, to most people, is "quantum mechanics".

Just showing how you get milk from a cow does not make one a dairy farmer.

Zz.
 
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  • #32
QuantumKangaroo said:
In some places they do. Here in Ontario, Quantum Mechanics is one of the units of Grade 12 Physics. Just thought i'd put that out there.

As ZapperZ pointed out, actually learning Quantum Mechanics is pretty distinct from discussing a few aspects of quantum mechanics. An introductory general physics course will cover some of the qualitative ideas of QM and cover things like determining the quantum numbers of a particle by simple inspection. However, this course isn't going to discuss QM in any quantitative depth. It's a ~2 week unit within a much broader

This earlier exposure is of course a very good thing, but I'm not sure that this is what's really being suggested by 'teaching QM in high school.' It's not unusual for high school physics courses to have a full semester of classical mechanics and a full semester of electromagnetism. However, it is very unusual for a high school to have a full semester of QM. The level of mathematical knowledge required to actually do QM is well beyond the scope of the majority of high schools, and rarely does a high school have a teacher that is genuinely qualified to teach such a class.
 
  • #33
thegreenlaser said:
I did a little bit of super-simple algebra-based quantum in high school. It focused mostly on the historical development, experiments, and some important results. Of course, I didn't really understand quantum theory at all after that, but I still think seeing it was important because it really made me interested in physics. I had always been mildly interested in physics, but getting that taste of modern physics made me really interested to learn more. I'm almost certain that seeing QM in high school had an effect on the degree path I've chosen, even if I didn't learn any "real" QM.

For that reason I think it may be good to give a taste of modern physics in high school. If nothing else, it might convince some kids that physics isn't so boring after all.

Same. The physics class I took wasn't even algebra-based, since pre-algebra wasn't a pre-req for the class. My teacher was amazing though, and after class he would talk to us about all the neat things that physics has to offer outside of F=ma. He minored in physics in undergrad, but had still taken a quantum class, so he told us the gist behind the uncertainty principle, and other cool stuff.

That... that was why I chose to study physics.
 
  • #34
High school is oriented towards putting most of the students into the workforce at the end of grade 12 (or whatever the equivalent is for those who finish). So it is mostly putting out auto mechanics and house electricians and secretaries and various other occupations like that. Perfectly honorable occupations, and required by society, but not strongly in need of quantum mechanics.
 
  • #35
DEvens said:
High school is oriented towards putting most of the students into the workforce at the end of grade 12 (or whatever the equivalent is for those who finish). So it is mostly putting out auto mechanics and house electricians and secretaries and various other occupations like that. Perfectly honorable occupations, and required by society, but not strongly in need of quantum mechanics.
I would actually disagree. Most of what students learn in high school is not really useful in most workplaces. Most people get by just fine without ever needing to solve quadratic equations or look for symbolism in classic literature. I feel like high school is more oriented towards giving people a base from which to pursue university degrees. For all the kids going straight to work or going to trade schools, I think it tends to be justified by the "well-rounded person" argument. And maybe that's even the right way to do it---truly practical skills are tough to teach in a classroom setting. Regardless, for better or for worse, I think high schools have a much different focus than giving kids an education that will be immediately applicable after they graduate.
 

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