Why four components? not 8 components or more?

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The discussion revolves around the number of components in the Dirac equation, specifically why there are four components in Dirac spinors rather than more. Participants explore theoretical underpinnings, potential experimental tests, and implications of different representations in the context of quantum field theory.

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  • One participant questions why Dirac spinors have four components and whether this can be tested experimentally.
  • Another participant explains that the structure of the Lorentz group is related to the number of components, noting that Weyl spinors have two complex components and Dirac spinors consist of two Weyl spinors in conjugate representations.
  • Further elaboration on representations of the Lorentz group is provided, detailing scalar, Weyl spinors, Dirac bispinors, and 4-vectors.
  • A participant suggests Ryder's book on quantum field theory as a potential reference for further reading.
  • Discussion includes a mention of the Dirac Hamiltonian and the necessity of 4x4 matrices to satisfy commutation relations, with a note that higher-order solutions could lead to larger component spinors.
  • Another participant speculates that larger representations might be reducible or correspond to particles with higher spins, introducing complexities such as gauge degrees of freedom and the need for supersymmetry and gravity for certain spin representations.

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Participants present multiple viewpoints regarding the number of components in Dirac spinors and the implications of larger representations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with competing ideas and hypotheses.

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Participants express uncertainty about the implications of larger spinor representations and the conditions under which they might arise, including the need for additional theoretical frameworks such as gauge theories and supersymmetry.

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i am now studying dirac equation

why there are only four components? not more?

is it possible to test the number of components experimentally?
 
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This is related to the structure of the Lorentz group. Weyl spinors are the fundamental entities with two complex components. Dirac spinors comprise two Weyl spinors transforming in conjugate representations, in terms of Lie algrebras
so(3,1) = sl_2(C) x sl_2(C)
So we have the following representations
(0,0) scalar
(1/2,0) left and (0,1/2) right Weyl spinors
(1/2,0)+(0,1/2) Dirac bispinor
(1/2,1/2) 4-vector
...
 
humanino said:
This is related to the structure of the Lorentz group. Weyl spinors are the fundamental entities with two complex components. Dirac spinors comprise two Weyl spinors transforming in conjugate representations, in terms of Lie algrebras
so(3,1) = sl_2(C) x sl_2(C)
So we have the following representations
(0,0) scalar
(1/2,0) left and (0,1/2) right Weyl spinors
(1/2,0)+(0,1/2) Dirac bispinor
(1/2,1/2) 4-vector
...

thanks. any reference?
 
I guess Ryder's book on QFT, but I am not sure.
 
The original Dirac hamiltonian (taken from wikipedia, the exact form isn't really important for this) is just:
[tex]\beta{m} -i\hbar\alpha\nabla[/tex]
where alpha and beta need to be chosen according to their commutation relations. It turns out that the minimal solution to the commutation relations are 4x4 matrices (or quaternions). However, there are higher order solutions which would lead to larger component spinors.
 
I'm not positive about this, but I suspect that having bigger representations would mean they're either reducible or describe particles with greater spins, which is in principle possible. However, when you get up to spin 1 (fundamental) particles, you end up needing to introduce gauge degrees of freedom, and when you add spin 3/2 (fundamental) particles you end up needing to introduce both supersymmetry AND gravity into the mix. Oops.
 

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