Why is a magneto-dynamo electro - magnetic system self - sustaining?

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The discussion revolves around the self-sustaining nature of magneto-dynamo systems, particularly in the context of Earth's magnetic field generation and the periodicity of magnetic pole orientation changes. Participants explore theoretical underpinnings, implications of nuclear reactions in the Earth's core, and comparisons with Mars' magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the dynamo theory, suggesting that interactions between molten material in the outer core and the magnetic field generate electrical currents that sustain the magnetic field.
  • One participant discusses Maxwell's Equations, highlighting the relationship between changing electric and magnetic fields and how energy is exchanged between them.
  • Questions are raised about the irregularity of magnetic pole orientation changes, with speculation on whether the slowing down of the Earth or inherent properties of electro-magneto currents contribute to this phenomenon.
  • Another participant recalls reading that nuclear reactions in the Earth's core may influence magnetic pole behavior, suggesting a connection between these reactions and pole reversals.
  • There is a mention of Mars lacking a magnetosphere and speculation about its magnetic field changes, with one participant questioning if Mars is undergoing a long-term magnetic polarity change.
  • One participant notes the widely held belief that radioactive decay contributes to geothermal heat, linking it to the discussion of nuclear activity in the Earth's core.
  • A participant expresses interest in ongoing developments related to dynamo models, indicating that a final model has yet to be established.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the mechanisms behind magnetic field generation and the nature of magnetic pole changes. There is no consensus on the specifics of these processes, and multiple competing views remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of nuclear reactions in the Earth's core and the relationship between magnetic fields and electrical currents, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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A recent episode of NOVA, The Magnetic Storm, it had been said that,

"According to generally accepted theory -- the dynamo theory -- interactions between the churning, twisting flow of molten material in the outer core and the magnetic field generate electrical current that, in turn, creates new magnetic energy that sustains the field"

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/magnetic/

http://geomag.usgs.gov/faq.html

http://www.psc.edu/science/Glatzmaier/glatzmaier.html

How can a magnetic field sustain an electrical field which sustains a magnetic field which... ?
 
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It is all in Maxwell's Equations The last 2 Faraday's law of induction and Ampere's law relate a time changing to space changing fields.

In both the LHS is a mathematical statement of a field which changes with location. The right hand side of each is a statement of a TIME changing field.

Faraday's law says that a space changing Electric field is the same a time changing Magnetic field.

Ampere's law says that a space changing Magnetic field is the same as a time changing electric field. This equation contains a term which attributes a contribution to the space changing Magnetic field is also made by an electric current density (J).

In propagation of electo-Magnetic signals energy is exchanged between the Magnetic and Electric fields as described by these equations.
 
Thank you.

Another question. Do you have any opinion on the periocity of
changes in magnetic pole orientation?
Why don't they occur at regular intervals (or in a pattern of changes which is at regular intervals?)

Could the slowing down of the Earth have any effect, or is the irregularity inherent in the generation of electro-magneto currents?


In the PBS special they had discovered from probes that Mars has
no magnetosphere. They had also said that the magnetic field of the
earth is decreasing (which is what happens during magnet pole orientation changes). Do you suppose that Mars, which has no magnetosphere, may actually be in the process of changing polarities, (and has a long period)?
 
pole changes

i remeber reeading about the magnetic poles being controlled by nuclear reactions in the core.

they are suppose to wax and wain depending on how the nuclear reactions are doing, leading to pole reversal etc.


mars may very well be in the long part of the down phase

but what do i know
 
crossmodul8 said:
i remeber reeading about the magnetic poles being controlled by nuclear reactions in the core.

they are suppose to wax and wain depending on how the nuclear reactions are doing, leading to pole reversal etc.


mars may very well be in the long part of the down phase

but what do i know


Curious. Is this suggesting that the Earth has at it's core nuclear activity?
 
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Are you an admirer of Boltzmann or a collector of trivia ?
 
pallidin said:
Curious. Is this suggesting that the Earth has at it's core nuclear activity?

It is widely believed that radioactive decay is a major contributor to geothermal heat.

Regarding the periodicity of magnetic polar inversions, and the self-sustaining nature of magneto-dynamos, I have been following developments athttp://complex.umd.edu/dynamo/index.html for some time, but the final model has yet to be built and operated.
 
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