Why is Earth made of Iron and Stone?

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The discussion revolves around the composition of Earth and the Sun, particularly focusing on the presence of heavier elements like iron and uranium, and the processes that lead to their distribution in planetary bodies. Participants explore theories related to stellar evolution, the formation of planets, and the implications of these processes for understanding the solar system's structure.

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  • Some participants propose that heavier elements are formed in stars and suggest that these elements may collect first to form planets, while lighter elements are blown away by solar winds.
  • Others argue that the Sun contains a greater amount of heavy elements than Earth, but in proportion to its mass, it is still predominantly hydrogen and helium.
  • A participant questions whether the Sun contains uranium or plutonium and discusses the possibility of these elements undergoing fission during stellar evolution.
  • Some participants suggest that the Sun's heavy elements are diffused throughout its mass rather than concentrated at the center.
  • There is speculation about the composition of the Sun's core and the potential for a "liquid metal soup" of elements, including trace amounts from supernovae, but this remains uncertain.
  • One participant mentions that the ionized material in the Sun contributes to its magnetic field, rather than the metallicity of the Sun.

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Participants generally agree that the Sun has a higher total mass of heavy elements compared to Earth, but there is no consensus on the specifics of their distribution or the implications for the Sun's core. Multiple competing views remain regarding the processes involved in the formation of planets and the role of heavy elements.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of elements in stellar environments, the definitions of "metals" in astrophysics, and the unresolved nature of certain processes like fission in stars.

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In Cosmos, Sagan explains to us laymen that stars fuse hydrogen into helium, and then if a star is big enough it creates higher order elements in later stages, before going supernova.

What isn't explained is why such a high proportion of heavier elements (heavy relative to hydrogen) collect to form planets. I can *assume* that the heavier elements come together first, in the earth, in the sun, in all of the planets, and that only the larger objects capture and hold the lighter elements. IF this were so, then I'd expect that the Sun contains far more iron and stone than the Earth in terms of mass, but less as a percentage of total mass. That is, I'd expect the sun to be built upon a foundation of heaver elements which had been ejected from supernovae. I'd *expect* this, but it wasn't stated or explained, so I just don't know.

Now, if this is the case, does it suggest that the sun also contains a center consisting of Uranium, maybe even Plutonium or other elements? If traces of Uranium are a part of the Earth's constitution, I'd think there should be much more within the sun. Or, do these elements undergo fission in the early evolution of a small star?
 
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The sun does contain a far greater amount of iron and the elements that comprise stone. The planets nearest the sun are 'rocky' because the gaseous elements were too warm to freeze out and have very low densities in the gaseous state. So, the 'wind' from the birthing sun carried biggest part of them off to the outer solar system - where the gas giants now reside. There is stone out there too, just a much higher percentage of these lighter materials.
 
zadignose said:
Now, if this is the case, does it suggest that the sun also contains a center consisting of Uranium, maybe even Plutonium or other elements? If traces of Uranium are a part of the Earth's constitution, I'd think there should be much more within the sun. Or, do these elements undergo fission in the early evolution of a small star?
Well, I doubt that they stay in the center. The Sun is pretty hot, so they'd be diffused throughout it. But at any rate, yes, we can be pretty certain that there's a lot more heavy elements in the Sun than there are in the Earth, it's just that the Sun is over 300,000 times more massive.

So the picture here is that the Sun formed first, and then when it formed nearly all of the lighter elements were blown away from the inner solar system, leaving only rocky planets behind.
 
Thanks folks, this makes sense.
 
That also explains why outer-Solar-System objects are so icy -- water and ammonia and methane could condense out there.
 
zadignose said:
In Cosmos, Sagan explains to us laymen that stars fuse hydrogen into helium, and then if a star is big enough it creates higher order elements in later stages, before going supernova.

What isn't explained is why such a high proportion of heavier elements (heavy relative to hydrogen) collect to form planets. I can *assume* that the heavier elements come together first, in the earth, in the sun, in all of the planets, and that only the larger objects capture and hold the lighter elements. IF this were so, then I'd expect that the Sun contains far more iron and stone than the Earth in terms of mass, but less as a percentage of total mass. That is, I'd expect the sun to be built upon a foundation of heaver elements which had been ejected from supernovae. I'd *expect* this, but it wasn't stated or explained, so I just don't know.

Now, if this is the case, does it suggest that the sun also contains a center consisting of Uranium, maybe even Plutonium or other elements? If traces of Uranium are a part of the Earth's constitution, I'd think there should be much more within the sun. Or, do these elements undergo fission in the early evolution of a small star?

The Sun contains about 1.5-2.0% of elements heavier than helium, what astrophysicists confusingly call "metals". Most of the "metals" are carbon, nitrogen and oxygen. You can look up the abundances of the elements relative to hydrogen on the Web. You're quite right about there being more of the metals in the Sun than in the planets - there's about 16-22 Jupiter masses of "metals" total mixed in with all the hydrogen and helium.
 
^ I think this is most right. Still in proportion, its not too significant. A freshly born sun is still mostly H and He. I never really thought about that though. That probly explains the huge magnetic field as well. Who knows what's truly at the very very center. Maybe the H fuses around a radius of liquid metal soup composed of everything from Li -> Fe, with trace amounts of heavier elements from a previous supernova. It could even be the same for the gas giants at their centers, but not massive enough to fuse.
 
CosmicEye said:
^ I think this is most right. Still in proportion, its not too significant. A freshly born sun is still mostly H and He. I never really thought about that though. That probly explains the huge magnetic field as well. Who knows what's truly at the very very center. Maybe the H fuses around a radius of liquid metal soup composed of everything from Li -> Fe, with trace amounts of heavier elements from a previous supernova. It could even be the same for the gas giants at their centers, but not massive enough to fuse.
I doubt the metalicity has much to do with the magnetic field. The material in the Sun is ionized, which means you've got large electric currents running around, and those electric currents are going to produce magnetic fields.
 

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