Why is stress considered a tensor?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why stress is considered a tensor, focusing on a more abstract and concise explanation rather than geometric demonstrations. Participants explore the relationship between stress and tensors, particularly in the context of linear transformations and mathematical definitions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for a concise explanation of why stress is a tensor, emphasizing a lack of interest in geometric demonstrations.
  • Another participant states that stress is a linear transformation from vectors (surface normal direction) to another vector (force on the surface element), which is a characteristic of a rank two tensor.
  • A subsequent reply seeks further elaboration on the initial claim about stress being a linear transformation, indicating a need for deeper understanding.
  • Another participant reiterates that stress relates surface elements (a vector) to the force across the surface (also a vector), reinforcing the idea that stress must be a tensor based on the quotient law for tensors.
  • One participant reflects on the traditional proofs involving geometry, suggesting that they feel less intuitive and expressing a newfound understanding of stress as a tensor after learning more about tensors.
  • Another participant agrees that the typical introduction of tensors in physics and engineering may not be the most intuitive approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and satisfaction with traditional explanations of stress as a tensor. There is no consensus on a single explanation, and some participants indicate a preference for more abstract reasoning over geometric demonstrations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of confidence in their understanding and express that traditional methods of explaining tensors may not resonate with all learners. The discussion highlights the challenge of conveying complex mathematical concepts in an intuitive manner.

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Before I go any further, I do understand the ways that mechanical engineering textbooks explain why stress is a tensor.

But all of those explanations seem infused with geometry (which I do NOT mean in a negative way at all); and are demonsrtrations.

I am searching for a more concise/abstract reason why stress is a tensor.

However, my education in math had been deficient. So am teaching myself new things.
And now that I understand a bit more about what a tensor is, after going through many of these wonderful videos:

(and many others)

... I am hoping someone can explain to me, concisely, without drawing tetrahera or any of those ways, why is stress a tensor.

In other words, beginning with a understanding of what a tensor is, why is stress one of these things?
And by that: do not DEMONSTRATE it is by doing a transformatoin... EXPLAIN why is IS a tensor.
 
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(Linear) Stress is a concept that is a linear transformation from vectors (the surface normal direction) to another vector (the force on the surface element). This is an identifying property of a rank two tensor.
 
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Orodruin said:
(Linear) Stress is a concept that is a linear transformation from vectors (the surface normal direction) to another vector (the force on the surface element). This is an identifying property of a rank two tensor.

I "feel" that this is along the lines of what I am looking for, but I lack your confidence. You say it so easily. Could you elaborate?
 
Orodruin said:
(Linear) Stress is a concept that is a linear transformation from vectors (the surface normal direction) to another vector (the force on the surface element). This is an identifying property of a rank two tensor.
I mean: "demonstrate"
 
observer1 said:
I "feel" that this is along the lines of what I am looking for, but I lack your confidence. You say it so easily. Could you elaborate?
A rank two tensor may be seen as a linear map from vectors to vectors. The quotient law for tensors also tells us that any such mapping must be a tensor. Since stress relates surface elements (a vector) to the force across the surface (also a vector), stress must be a tensor.
 
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Orodruin said:
A rank two tensor may be seen as a linear mapping between from vectors to vectors. The quotient law for tensors also tells us that any such mapping must be a tensor. Since stress relates surface elements (a vector) to the force across the surface (also a vector), stress must be a tensor.
wow this makes a lot of sense...

May I finally ask: Did you understand what I meant when I said that the traditional "proofs" were, more or less, "demonstrations using the geometry of tetrahedra", and were... loss of a word here to capture my feelings... like cheating? In other words, I feel that only NOW that I have a stronger idea of a tensor from listening to those videos, do I feel I understand what stress is a tensor and it is reallyu simple.
 
Well, I would say that the typical way of introducing tensors in physics and engineering is perhaps not the most intuitive one.
 
Orodruin said:
Well, I would say that the typical way of introducing tensors in physics and engineering is perhaps not the most intuitive one.
Thank you
 

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