Why Is the Average Velocity Zero After the 3rd Lap?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a car racing on an oval track, specifically focusing on the concepts of average speed and average velocity after completing three laps.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between displacement and average velocity, questioning why the average velocity is zero after completing three laps despite the car traveling a significant distance.

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Some participants have provided insights into the definitions of average velocity and average speed, noting that average velocity is based on total displacement, which is zero after completing laps on a closed track. Others express their understanding and appreciation for the clarification offered in the discussion.

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Participants mention the distinction between average velocity and average speed, indicating a common point of confusion regarding these concepts in the context of circular motion.

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Homework Statement



During a race on an oval track a car travels at an average speed of 200km/h. a) How far did it travel in 45.0mins? b) determine its average velocity at the end of its 3rd lap.

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ok I worked out part a of the question and that is fine. But logically I can't figure out why the answer to the second part of the question would be 0. Can anyone explain why the average velocity at the end of the 3rd lap would be 0? thanks


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If I were to guess, I would think that since velocity is a vector, at the end of the third lap, the car would technically be in the same place that it started, thus having no displacement, or since the track is oval, on an x-y plane, the car would have both positive and negative velocities in both the x and y plane, so they would probably cancel each other out.

Still not sure though, sorry

p.s. Sorry If the second one doesn't make much sense, i probably explained it horribly
 
Chica1975 said:

Homework Statement



During a race on an oval track a car travels at an average speed of 200km/h. a) How far did it travel in 45.0mins? b) determine its average velocity at the end of its 3rd lap.

Homework Equations


ok I worked out part a of the question and that is fine. But logically I can't figure out why the answer to the second part of the question would be 0. Can anyone explain why the average velocity at the end of the 3rd lap would be 0? thanks

Average velocity is determined by the total displacement (from a starting position) over the total time. Since the car is right back where it started after every lap, that displacement is zero at that moment.

Average speed is another matter; It takes into account the actual distance traveled rather than the displacement.
 
of course - I know this I don't know what I was thinking. Sometimes I just go blank!

Thank you!
 
gneill said:
Average velocity is determined by the total displacement (from a starting position) over the total time. Since the car is right back where it started after every lap, that displacement is zero at that moment.

Average speed is another matter; It takes into account the actual distance traveled rather than the displacement.

Yea, what he said, haha I guess I kinda had that in my explanation, but had a brain fart and forgot about the total displacement over total time.
 
:) I got it tho - am so grateful for this forum - never would have made it thru physics without it.
 
haha, me neither, I've gone on here to find any kind of help that I needed and was able to find it almost every time :)
 

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