Why is the %change of the %change of a sequence so chaotic?

In summary, the percent change for each interval of the sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10... becomes more and more chaotic when calculating the percent change of the percent change. This is due to the propagation of a tiny rounding error that grows with each step. The correct numbers for each row are the same, except for the first column, and decrease in absolute value methodically. This can be proven algebraically. Without rounding errors, this can also occur if the original sequence is chaotic due to the nonlinearity of the calculations.
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Take the sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10...
If you found the percent change for each interval and kept on finding the percent change of the percent change of the sequence, why does the change become more and more chaotic?

Here is a quick table I made:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gufw9MEJBUz_YEZBcfu6F_9IPAS3umoDyYh-4aXQRUA/pubhtml

Are there any explanation for this? There doesn't appear to be any obvious pattern to it.
 
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It's just the propagation of a tiny rounding error in the spreadsheet calculation, that grows with each step to the right. At first it is invisible within the digits shown but it grows to become visible and ultimately to dominate.

In fact the correct number in row j of column k is ##-1/(j-1)##, for ##k>1## and ##1/(j-1)## for ##k=1##. So the correct numbers are the same across every row, other than the first column, and diminish methodically in absolute value as we go down a column. It's fairly straightforward to prove this algebraically.
 
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for the sequence n = 1,2,3,4... verify the calculation analitically:
the relative change ##c_n## in going from n-1 to n is ##c_n = [n-(n-1)]/n = 1/n##
(note: the percentage change is ##100c_n##)

Now you have a sequence of relative changes: ##c_1, c_2 \cdots##
where ##c_n = 1/n##

the relative change going from ##c_{n-1}## to ##c_n## is:
$$d_n = \frac{c_n-c_{n-1}}{c_n}=\cdots$$... complete the expression.
 
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In this case, it is just rounding errors, but you'll also see this without rounding errors if the original sequence is a bit chaotic. The reason is the nonlinearity: if one difference in a sequence happens to be very small, it appears in the denominator in one element in the next sequence, producing a huge value. Change the 6 to 6.1 for example and see how the values change dramatically even in the range where they are nice with the current sequence.
 

1. Why is the %change of the %change of a sequence so chaotic?

The %change of a sequence refers to the difference between one number in a sequence and the previous number. The %change of the %change refers to the difference between the %change values themselves. This can appear chaotic because it is affected by multiple factors, such as the magnitude and direction of the original sequence, as well as any external influences or random fluctuations.

2. Can the chaotic nature of the %change of the %change be predicted or controlled?

While mathematical models and algorithms can be used to analyze and predict the behavior of sequences, the chaotic nature of the %change of the %change makes it difficult to accurately predict or control. Small variations in the initial conditions or external factors can lead to significant changes in the outcomes.

3. Is there a specific pattern or trend in the %change of the %change of a sequence?

Due to the chaotic nature of the %change of the %change, it is difficult to identify a specific pattern or trend. However, some sequences may exhibit certain patterns or trends in the short term, but these can change over time or under different conditions.

4. How does the %change of the %change affect the overall stability of a sequence?

The %change of the %change can greatly impact the stability of a sequence. It can cause rapid and unpredictable changes, making it difficult to maintain a consistent pattern or trend. This can be problematic in financial markets or other systems where stability is important.

5. Are there any practical applications for understanding the chaotic nature of the %change of the %change?

While the chaotic nature of the %change of the %change may seem daunting, it has practical applications in various fields such as economics, weather forecasting, and population dynamics. By studying the patterns and trends in the %change of the %change, scientists can gain a better understanding of complex systems and make more accurate predictions.

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