Why is the escape velocity of Earth so fast?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of escape velocity, specifically why the escape velocity of Earth is perceived as high. Participants explore the relationship between gravitational pull and distance from the Earth's center, and the mechanics of achieving escape velocity versus maintaining upward motion with continuous force.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why escape velocity is so high, noting that gravitational pull weakens with distance from the Earth.
  • One participant compares their ability to jump a few feet to the required escape velocity, suggesting that if they could apply force continuously, they might escape the Earth at a slower speed.
  • Another participant clarifies that escape velocity is the speed needed to escape Earth's gravity without any additional forces acting on the object.
  • There is a discussion about the Space Shuttle's velocity during launch, with some participants noting that it does not maintain escape velocity for extended periods.
  • Participants highlight that if an object moving upwards at a speed below escape velocity stops applying force, it will fall back to Earth.
  • One participant explains the concept of bounded orbits and how exceeding escape velocity leads to different orbital dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding escape velocity and its implications. There is no consensus on the best way to conceptualize escape velocity versus continuous force application, and multiple viewpoints on the mechanics of space travel are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some statements depend on specific conditions, such as the altitude at which escape velocity is measured and the forces acting on the spacecraft. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of orbital mechanics or the nuances of gravitational effects at different distances.

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Help me understand this please.

Why is the escape velocity of Earth so fast? Doesn’t the gravitational pull of the Earth weaken as you get farther away from the center of the Earth?

I can jump a couple feet into the air… I’m am going upwards nowhere near 27k miles an hour… if I could leverage my feet on air, couldn’t I apply the same amount of force to go another few feet in the air until I escape the Earth? High altitude balloons can almost escape Earth and are going nowhere near 27k miles an hour. Yet I know, (because I have heard it many times before) that the escape velocity of Earth is about 27,000 miles an hour.

Why can’t you go upwards at 1 mile an hour until you escaped Earth?

What’s the scoop?

Thanks,
 
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You might want to read this, it explains it better than I can.
 
Thanks, I get it now… I think. So the Space Shuttle (when taking off) doesn’t go 25 thousand miles per hour for any extended period of time… if any at all. People refer to escape velocity as just a simple way to refer to something? Instead of saying you can escape Earth by going one mile an hour provided you continue to apply “x” amount of force for “t” amount of time.

Is that right?
 
syano said:
Help me understand this please.

Why is the escape velocity of Earth so fast? Doesn’t the gravitational pull of the Earth weaken as you get farther away from the center of the Earth?

I can jump a couple feet into the air… I’m am going upwards nowhere near 27k miles an hour… if I could leverage my feet on air, couldn’t I apply the same amount of force to go another few feet in the air until I escape the Earth? High altitude balloons can almost escape Earth and are going nowhere near 27k miles an hour. Yet I know, (because I have heard it many times before) that the escape velocity of Earth is about 27,000 miles an hour.

Why can’t you go upwards at 1 mile an hour until you escaped Earth?

What’s the scoop?

Thanks,

As long as you could continously apply a force on the spaceship to maintain a given upwards velocity, you could get as far as you like away from the earth.
The crucial issue with escape velocity, is that this is the velocity you'll need to have to escape Earth once no other forces than gravity acts on the spaceship.
(It depends on the distance from the center of the Earth at the place where this condition (no other forces than gravity) occurs)
 
syano said:
Thanks, I get it now… I think. So the Space Shuttle (when taking off) doesn’t go 25 thousand miles per hour for any extended period of time… if any at all. People refer to escape velocity as just a simple way to refer to something? Instead of saying you can escape Earth by going one mile an hour provided you continue to apply “x” amount of force for “t” amount of time.

Is that right?
Yes, you are right, but its more than just a convention. If at any time you stopped applying a force to an object moving up at 1mph (below whatever altitude the escape velocity is 1mph), it'll fall back to earth. An object at escape velocity will never fall back to eart.
 
syano said:
Thanks, I get it now… I think. So the Space Shuttle (when taking off) doesn’t go 25 thousand miles per hour for any extended period of time… if any at all. People refer to escape velocity as just a simple way to refer to something? Instead of saying you can escape Earth by going one mile an hour provided you continue to apply “x” amount of force for “t” amount of time.

Is that right?

Hi Syano.

The Shuttle NEVER goes 25K mph. Take a look at http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/hohmann.html. It explains how you transfer from orbit to orbit in space.

To be in orbit, you need to be going ~18K mph or ~7.75 km/sec. That's roughly the velocity of the Shuttle. In the graphic on the website, that's orbit 'A'. If you want to go higher, you do a maneuvering burn. When you do the burn, you're at the intersection of orbit 'A' and orbit 'B'. You are going faster, so you'll go into an orbit which takes you farther out of the gravity well (orbit 'B'). As you go farther out, you'll be slowing down (gravity pulls you back). The maximum distance away (intersection of 'B' and 'C') depends on how fast you were going at the intersecion of 'A' and 'B'. You're still in what is called a bounded orbit (meaning you'll always come back) so long as you don't hit escape velocity. If you hit escape velocity, that means that the intersection of orbits 'B' and 'C' is an infinite distance away... your velocity of ~11 km/sec in low Earth orbit (LEO) was just enough to get you to zero velocity an infinite distance away. If you have more velocity than that, you'll go into a parabolic orbit.

Hope that makes some sense.
 
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arildno said:
The crucial issue with escape velocity, is that this is the velocity you'll need to have to escape Earth once no other forces than gravity acts on the spaceship.

IOW, "escape velocity" is the speed you must be going in order to coast away from Earth. That's why is referred to as a "velocity" rather than an "acceleration".
 

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