Why is the second derivative notation written as d^2y/dx^2?

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The discussion centers around the notation for the second derivative, specifically the expression d²y/dx². Participants explore the logic behind this notation compared to alternative forms like d²y/d²x² or d²y/(dx)², examining its implications and potential for confusion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the notation d²y/dx², suggesting that d²y/d²x² or d²y/(dx)² seems more logical since it represents d/dx (dy/dx).
  • Another participant argues that the notation (d/dx)²(y) is a shorthand, indicating that (d/dx)ⁿ is typically written without brackets as dⁿ/dxⁿ.
  • Concerns are raised about potential confusion if d²x² were used, as it might lead to incorrect cancellations.
  • Some participants discuss the semantic implications of d²x² suggesting it could imply applying the differential operator to x twice, contrasting with (dx)².
  • References are made to similar notational practices in differential geometry and relativity, where ds² is preferred over (ds)².
  • There is a suggestion that treating dx as a single entity rather than d(x²) clarifies the notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness and clarity of the notation d²y/dx². There is no consensus on whether it is merely a shortcut or if it has deeper implications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the potential for confusion in notation and the semantic differences in interpreting expressions like d²x² versus (dx)². The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and assumptions about the notation used in calculus.

ImAnEngineer
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I often see the second derivative written down like this:

\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}

Although it seems more logical to me to write

\frac{d^2y}{d^2x^2}

Or

\frac{d^2y}{(dx)^2}

Since it represents

\frac{d}{dx} \frac{dy}{dx}

Is there any logic behind this or is it just a shortcut notation to omit the square in d², or brackets in the denominator?
 
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Hi ImAnEngineer! :smile:

It's because it's short for (d/dx)2(y) …

for example, you might write (d/dx)2(x3 + sinx), or indeed (d/dx)28(x3 + sinx) …

and (d/dx)n is naturally written without brackets as dn/dxn

the x3 + sinx stays as it is. :wink:
 
I think that if the notation had d2x2 then people may be tempted to do silly things like cancel the d2 and the x2 and get really confused :) As it is, there's only a slight bit of confusion in areas such as this :)
 
tiny-tim said:
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and (d/dx)n is naturally written without brackets as dn/dxn
Is it?

I would say:

\left(\frac{d}{dx}\right)^n=\frac{d^n}{(dx)^n}=\frac{d^n}{d^nx^n}

Because (ab)²=a²b² and not ab²

So is it just a shortcut notation to leave out the ² in the denominator?
 
ImAnEngineer said:
Is it?

I would say:

\left(\frac{d}{dx}\right)^n=\frac{d^n}{(dx)^n}=\frac{d^n}{d^nx^n}

Because (ab)²=a²b² and not ab²

So is it just a shortcut notation to leave out the ² in the denominator?

Semantically, d2x2 may imply that the differential operator is being applied to x twice, which is not the case in (dx)2. Ie., it is like mistaking (sin x)2 for sin2x2.
In the case of writing dx2, it is just treating dx as a single entity, not as d(x2).
 
It is the same in differential geometry and relativity, where line element (metric) is written as ds^2 instead of (ds)^2. It save some works in writing I suppose...
 
slider142 said:
In the case of writing dx2, it is just treating dx as a single entity, not as d(x2).
yenchin said:
It is the same in differential geometry and relativity, where line element (metric) is written as ds^2 instead of (ds)^2. It save some works in writing I suppose...

Yup! :biggrin:
 
slider142 said:
Semantically, d2x2 may imply that the differential operator is being applied to x twice, which is not the case in (dx)2. Ie., it is like mistaking (sin x)2 for sin2x2.
In the case of writing dx2, it is just treating dx as a single entity, not as d(x2).

Aah OK! This makes sense, that really helps.

Thanks everyone! :smile:
 

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