Why is the term w(t-x/c) used in the cosine representation of a traveling wave?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical representation of traveling waves, specifically focusing on the term w(t-x/c) in the cosine function. Participants explore the implications of this term in the context of wave reflection and transmission, as well as its physical meaning and derivation.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of the term w(t-x/c) and why x/c is negative, indicating confusion about its implications.
  • Another participant explains that for a wave traveling to the right, the wave function can be expressed as y(x,t)=f(x-ct), where c is the wave speed.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the confusion lies in the negative sign of x/c or in the physical meaning of the variables involved.
  • There is a discussion about why the expression is w(t-x/c) instead of w[(x/c)-t], suggesting that different formulations could lead to varying interpretations.
  • One participant notes that as one moves further from the source (increasing x), the phase of the wave appears 'earlier', which necessitates a decrease in phase with increasing x.
  • Another participant mentions that during the derivation, the sine function appears associated with time rather than space, raising questions about the context of the observer's position.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the term w(t-x/c) and its implications, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the derivation of the wave function and the assumptions underlying the expressions used, particularly concerning the relationship between time and space in the context of wave propagation.

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This is about wave reflection and transmission.

For an infinite string with a density change at x=0, consider an incident wave propagating to the right from x = -∞. The most general form is W = A cos(w(t-x/c)+θ), with amplitude A, angular freuqency w, time t, distance x (from origin), wave speed c and phase θ.

I do not understand the term w(t-x/c). what is x/c negative?


Update : http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/travelling_sine_wave.htm

I understand this derivation apart from x' = x-vt. Shouldnt it be x' = x-vt since x' is moving relative to x?
 
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c is the speed of the wave.

If you distort a string so that the height forms a wave of arbitrary shape y(x,t=0)=f(x), and the wave subsequently travels to the right (+x direction) without changing shape, then for t>0, y(x,t)=f(x-ct), where c is the speed of the wave.

If ##f(x)=A\cos( kx + \theta)##

What is ##y(x,t)=##?

Ignore the derivation you linked to for now: it is unnecessarily convoluted.
 
The question is not clear to me. Are you trying to understand why there is a negative sign in the factor w(t-x/c)? Or are you trying to understand the physical meaning of those variables?
 
or why it is the "x/c" that is negative as opposed to the "t"
i.e. why w(t-x/c) and not w[(x/c)-t] ... which is what you get off the standard derivation.

... or myriad other possibilities - which is why I wanted to see the derivation done first.
 
mcheung4 said:
I do not understand the term w(t-x/c). what is x/c negative?

This is confusing at first. However, if you think that, as you get further away from the source (increasing x) the phase of the wave is 'earlier' (because the 'later' bit hasn't got there yet). So increasing x has to decrease the phase, if you are using the conventional signs for everything else.
 
When you do the derivation for the traveling wave, though, the sine ends up on the time rather than the space contribution to the overall phase. A waveform f(x) traveling to the right with speed c changes as f(x-ct) ... see what I mean?

But I suppose of x is the observer position, the the observer is looking at an earlier part of the wave.
... I just don't think that's the context. Really need feedback.
i.e. the second question makes no sense.
 

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