Why is the torque about R used in this problem?

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The discussion revolves around a torque problem involving forces acting at different distances from a pivot point, R. Participants are analyzing the moments created by various weights and questioning the assumptions regarding the positions of these weights relative to the pivot.

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  • Participants are exploring the calculation of moments about point R and questioning the direction of torque based on the position of the boy and the box Q. There is confusion regarding how to interpret the signs of the torque and the implications of the distances involved.

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There is ongoing exploration of the assumptions made about the positions of the weights and the resulting torques. Some participants are seeking clarification on the direction of the torque when the distance x is greater than or less than 3, indicating a productive discussion about the underlying concepts.

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Participants are working with a mark scheme that presents a different solution than their calculations, leading to questions about the setup and assumptions in the problem. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the distances and the resulting torque directions.

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So I let x be the distance from P.

I then considered moments about R and got this:

1) (40g)(x-3) = 40gx - 120g and this is anticlockwise
2) (30g)(0.5) = 15g and this is anticlockwise
3) (2.5g)(2) = 5g and this is clockwise

And then by equating clockwise and anticlockwise I get this:

40gx - 120g + 15g = 5g

40gx = 110g

x = 110/44
x = 2.75m

But the mark scheme says this is wrong? They've got it as 3.25m. This is what they used as moments about R:

(40g)(x-3) + (2.5g)(2) = (30g)(0.5)

I don't get how they can consider the boy and the box Q to be on the same side??
 
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trew said:
1) (40g)(x-3) = 40gx - 120g and this is anticlockwise
Is it?
trew said:
I don't get how they can consider the boy and the box Q to be on the same side??
When x>3 (40g)(x-3) is positive. Which way will the torque be?
 
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haruspex said:
Is it?

When x>3 (40g)(x-3) is positive. Which way will the torque be?

So when x>3, this will be on the right hand side of the point R making it clockwise, but why do I assume that the boy stands on the right hand side of R?
 
trew said:
why do I assume that the boy stands on the right hand side of R?
You are not making that assumption. When x > 3, the boy is on the right and the torque he exerts about the fulcrum is clockwise; when x < 3 the torque is still "(40g)(x-3) clockwise" because that value is negative, and a negative value for a clockwise torque means it is actually an anticlockwise torque, which it will be.
 
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