Why is the 'X' obtained in the experiment different from the expected 'X'?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around an experiment involving a marble rolling down a ramp and subsequently falling off a desk. The original poster questions the discrepancy between the expected distance 'X' calculated using a specific formula and the actual distance measured during the experiment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formula used to calculate the distance 'X' and question whether the initial kinetic energy of the marble on the ramp contributes to the observed error. There is also consideration of the effects of rolling versus sliding motion on the results.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the reasons for the discrepancy in results, with some suggesting that the original formula may be incomplete. There is acknowledgment of the potential impact of rolling kinetic energy on the marble's motion, and the conversation is focused on understanding these factors rather than reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a significant percent error in the experimental results, and assumptions regarding energy loss during the marble's motion are being questioned. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the conditions of the experiment and the formulas applied.

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Homework Statement


We did an experiment where A marble travels down a ramp,
rolls along for 5 cm, then falls off a desk. The marble starts off
while gravitational potencial energy, and ends with kinetic energy.
We were given a formula for the distance from the desk the marble
lands, 'x', calculated by multiplying the height of the ramp by the
height the desk and square rooting the product. So here's my question:
Why is the expected 'X' so different from the 'X' obtained in the experiment?

Homework Equations


Egpe = mgh
Eke = 1/2mv**2

The Attempt at a Solution



Is the large percent error caused by the marble
having some kinetic energy on the ramp?
HELP!

Jen DM
 
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The formula for dist from the desk should be 2*sqrt(height of ramp*height of table), assuming no loss in energy for the 5 cm roll. You can deduce it quite easily.
 
I know that that formula shows what should happen, but the results of the experiment show something 30% different, and I was wondering why they are so different, i(e sound energy present?)

I appreciate your help :)

Thanks
 
Your original formula didn't have the factor of 2. So, I thought that could be the reason for the discrepancy.

The marble also has rolling KE, which it gains when it crosses the flat table, which should be the most significant factor. The formula deduced was for just a point mass sliding.

Sound is emitted after the marble strikes the ground and is not relevant, unless of course you mean the sound when it hits the table and rolls across it. That should be very less.
 
That makes sense, since the marble is rolling, not sliding down the ramp.

thank you so much!
 

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