Why Is There Cold Wind? Investigating the Creation of Wind and Its Temperature"

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The discussion revolves around the nature of wind, specifically addressing why wind can feel cold despite being composed of fast-moving particles. Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy, temperature, and the mechanisms of wind creation, including atmospheric pressure variations and the effects of wind on perceived temperature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if gas particles have high kinetic energy (KE) and velocity, they should correspond to high temperature (T), questioning the existence of cold wind.
  • Another participant points out that bulk motion is not included in the temperature, implying that wind velocity does not directly affect temperature in the kinetic theory of gases.
  • A different participant explains that atmospheric pressure is unevenly distributed, leading to wind as air moves from high-pressure areas to low-pressure areas.
  • Some participants discuss the sensation of cold wind, noting that it can remove warm air layers from the skin, making it feel colder, and mention factors like evaporation and humidity affecting perceived temperature.
  • One participant emphasizes that velocity and energy are frame-dependent, suggesting that the reference frame affects how wind velocity relates to temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between wind velocity and temperature, with some asserting that kinetic energy does not determine temperature in the context of wind. There is no consensus on the assumptions regarding temperature and wind dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the relationship between kinetic energy, temperature, and wind, indicating that assumptions about these concepts may vary. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or conceptual uncertainties raised.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring atmospheric science, thermodynamics, or those curious about the physical principles behind wind and temperature perception.

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So awhile ago I was thinking about wind.

Sometimes wind is hot but when I think of wind I usually think of cold wind.
Wind seems to be fast moving particles and I know based on the kinetics theory of gases

KE = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{3}{2}kT

Maybe, I'm making a wrong assumption but to me this seems that if a particle of gas has a high KE and high v that it will have a high T

So why would there be cold wind. Shouldn't all high velocity wind be hot?

Through my investigation of this I have gotten some info on how wind is created.

From what I can gather

The sun heats the Earth unevenly
The atmosphere of the Earth that is getting heated
and the hot air rises because it becomes less dense

(here is where I get a little confused and maybe making wrong assumptions)

this causes less pressure in that area of the atmosphere
causing nearby particles of air to fill the uneven pressure (partial vacuum the rising hot air created?)

and so you have wind!

To me it seems if the gases filling the uneven pressure have a low T that it would seem plausible that we would have cold wind BUT wouldn't that air over time heat up because of it's increase in KE?

I know this looks like a wall of text now but this is my thought process
 
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1. Bulk motion is not included in the temperature.
2. Can you calculate at what speed, the KE would make a noticeable difference if converted to heat?
 
Also, the pressure of the atmosphere is not evenly distributed at anyone time. If a region of low pressure develops, a portion of the atmosphere from a region of higher relative pressure will move in. This movement will also create wind.
 
Sometimes wind is hot but when I think of wind I usually think of cold wind.

Clothes and hair trap a layer of warm air next to your skin. Wind can remove this layer of warm air making it feel colder than it would otherwise.

More..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill
 
tony1grendel said:
Wind seems to be fast moving particles and I know based on the kinetics theory of gases

KE = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{3}{2}kT

Maybe, I'm making a wrong assumption but to me this seems that if a particle of gas has a high KE and high v that it will have a high T
You're right. You are making a wrong assumption. Velocity and energy are frame-dependent quantities -- change the frame of reference and you get different velocities, different kinetic energy. So in which frame are those velocities expressed? The answer is that it is a rest frame of the gas, a frame in which the total momentum is zero.

In other words, wind velocity doesn't come into play in determining temperature in the kinetic theory of gases.
 
CWatters said:
Clothes and hair trap a layer of warm air next to your skin. Wind can remove this layer of warm air making it feel colder than it would otherwise.
There's also the effect of evaporation if a person is sweating, and the effect of relative humidity.

If the air temperature is around 100°F ~= 38°C or higher, the wind will make it fill hotter still.

http://www.zunis.org/at_least_theres_a_breeze.htm
 

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