Why is this integral not convergent? Could be a technicality

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the integral of the function \((-5x)/(1+x^2)\) from negative infinity to infinity. Participants are examining the apparent discrepancy between computational tools that suggest the integral evaluates to zero and a homework assignment indicating it is divergent. The integral's behavior at infinity and the implications of it being an odd function are central to the conversation.

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  • Participants are exploring the limits of the integral and questioning whether the approach to evaluating it is correct, particularly regarding the treatment of limits involving logarithmic functions. There is also discussion about splitting the integral into two parts and the implications of the integral being odd.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the integral, suggesting that it may only be integrable in the principal value sense. Others have pointed out that the integral does not converge in the traditional sense, emphasizing the need for separate convergence of both halves of the integral. The conversation reflects a range of interpretations and considerations regarding the integral's behavior.

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There is mention of the integral being divergent when evaluated from zero to infinity and from negative infinity to zero, indicating potential complexities in its convergence. The discussion also references a calculus text that highlights the necessity for both parts of the integral to converge separately, which may not be the case here.

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Wolfram alpha and integral calculator say zero, but my school's HW on webworks does say it's divergent. I don't suppose it's wrong either, since the issue is probably a technicality
Arguably, on desmos.com the graph is pretty damn near odd.

Homework Equations


Int(-inf)(inf) of (-5x)/(1+x^2)
Sorry for the lack of Latex, but basically it's simple, just from neg inf to infinity of the equation written.

The Attempt at a Solution


Been trying at this for a few days now, and it comes up to zero each time. Supposedly it's divergent...
Am I doing something wrong when I take the limit with the ln()'s?

Of course now each time, I split the integral in half, just to be safe. (Negative five multiplied by the whole quantity of the two integrals. The first, negative infinity to zero, the second, zero to infinity)
 
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Homework Statement


Wolfram alpha and integral calculator say zero, but my school's HW on webworks does say it's divergent. I don't suppose it's wrong either, since the issue is probably a technicality
Arguably, on desmos.com the graph is pretty damn near odd.

Homework Equations


Int(-inf)(inf) of (-5x)/(1+x^2)
Sorry for the lack of Latex, but basically it's simple, just from neg inf to infinity of the equation written.

The Attempt at a Solution


Been trying at this for a few days now, and it comes up to zero each time. Supposedly it's divergent...
Am I doing something wrong when I take the limit with the ln()'s?

Of course now each time, I split the integral in half, just to be safe. (Negative five multiplied by the whole quantity of the two integrals. The first, negative infinity to zero, the second, zero to infinity)

It's integrable only in the principal value sense. I.e. if you take the limits in a special way. Look it up. The integral from 0 to infinity is divergent and the integral from -infinity to zero is divergent. That might be a clue that the integrability is somewhat dodgy.
 
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CookieSalesman said:

Homework Statement


Wolfram alpha and integral calculator say zero, but my school's HW on webworks does say it's divergent. I don't suppose it's wrong either, since the issue is probably a technicality
Arguably, on desmos.com the graph is pretty damn near odd.

Homework Equations


Int(-inf)(inf) of (-5x)/(1+x^2)
Sorry for the lack of Latex, but basically it's simple, just from neg inf to infinity of the equation written.

The Attempt at a Solution


Been trying at this for a few days now, and it comes up to zero each time. Supposedly it's divergent...
Am I doing something wrong when I take the limit with the ln()'s?

Of course now each time, I split the integral in half, just to be safe. (Negative five multiplied by the whole quantity of the two integrals. The first, negative infinity to zero, the second, zero to infinity)

The integral
[tex]F(a,b) = \int_{-a}^{b} \frac{x}{x^2+1} \, dx[/tex]
does not have a limit as ##(a,b) \to (\infty,\infty)##; what you get will depend on the path through which ##(a,b) \to (\infty,\infty)##. Depending on the choice of path you can get any "answer" from ##-\infty## to ##+\infty##. Therefore, ##F(\infty,\infty)## does not exist, and that is not just a "technicality".
 
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CookieSalesman said:
Arguably (...) the graph is pretty damn near odd.
The function is indeed exactly odd! (Check by the definition of odd, [itex]-y(-x)=y(x)[/itex]) But this is not enough when it comes to infinity. The other answers were interesting, and I don't have much insight to contribute, but I wanted to share a few sentences from my Calculus book (by Gilbert Strang).

It says, "the (...) integral (...) from [itex]a=-∞[/itex] to [itex]b=∞[/itex] (...) is split into two parts, and each part much converge. By definition, the limits at -∞ and ∞ are kept separate."
(The bold and italics are from him not me.)

He goes on to emphasize this point a little later with an odd function like yours:

"[itex]\int_{-∞}^{∞}x.dx[/itex] is not defined even though [itex]\int_{-b}^{b}x.dx=0[/itex] for every b. The area under y=x is +∞ on one side of zero. The area is -∞ on the other side. We cannot accept [itex]∞-∞=0[/itex]. The two areas must be separately finite, and in this case they are not."
 
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