Why Isn't Linear Momentum Conserved?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a thin metal bar hanging from a ceiling and being struck by a small ball, raising questions about the conservation of linear and angular momentum during the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conditions under which linear momentum is conserved and question the role of forces at the pivot point. There is a discussion about the implications of considering the entire system versus parts of it.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of momentum conservation, with some providing insights into the criteria for conservation. There is an ongoing exploration of the effects of pivot forces on momentum.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the textbook answer for angular speed, and participants are questioning the assumptions related to momentum conservation in the context of the collision.

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Homework Statement



A thin metal bar, 2.00 m and a mass of 9.18 kg hangs vertically from a ceiling by a frictionless pivot. Suddenly it is struck 1.50 m below the ceiling by a small 3.00 kg ball, initially traveling horizontally at 10.0 m/s. The ball rebounds in the opposite direction with a speed of 6.00 m/s.

(a) Find the angular speed of the bar just after the collision. ***The answer in the textbook is 5.88 rad/s, and that makes sense to me.***

(b) During the collision, why is the angular momentum conserved but not the linear momentum?

Homework Equations



m*v(initial)*l = Iω + m*v(final)*l

The Attempt at a Solution



I have absolutely no idea how this is possible. I was always taught that momentum is always conserved.
 
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What are forces at the pivot point?
 
Borek said:
What are forces at the pivot point?

There are tension and gravity forces, but I don't understand how they would affect the linear momentum of the ball in the horizontal dimension.
 
student34 said:
There are tension and gravity forces, but I don't understand how they would affect the linear momentum of the ball in the horizontal dimension.
Hint: Does the pivot move? Why not?
 
It would be useful here to keep in mind what criteria need to be met for linear momentum to be conserved.
 
Linear momentum is conserved (if you consider the whole system).

Linear momentum is not necessarily conserved (if you only consider part of the system).

E.g. bouncing ball: momentum conserved if you consider the Earth's momentum; momentum clearly not conserved if you consider the ball only.
 
Yeah, I should have knew that, thanks everyone!
 

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