Why isn't the scaling factor included when stating particle mass in eV?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between energy and mass, particularly in the context of expressing particle mass in electron volts (eV). Participants explore the implications of using different units for mass and energy, referencing the famous equation E=mc².

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  • Some participants attempt to clarify the conversion between energy in joules and mass in eV, questioning why a scaling factor is not included when stating mass. Others explore the equivalence of different units and the flexibility in expressing mass in various forms.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into unit conversions and the nature of mass in different contexts. There is an exploration of the assumptions behind unit choices, though no consensus has been reached on the necessity of including a scaling factor in mass expressions.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the conversion factors and the implications of using eV as a unit of mass, while others draw analogies to other measurement systems to illustrate their points.

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Silly question I know…but…the energy mass relationship is E=mc^2 with E in units of Joules. Which means mass = E/c^2 and if we take c = 1, mass = joules. So where did the conversion factor of e go when we state particle mass in eV?
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not technically a homework question, just figured it fit here.
 
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What conversion factor? eV is a unit of energy just as Joule is.
 
Jrs580 said:
Homework Statement:: Silly question I know…but…the energy mass relationship is E=mc^2 with E in units of Joules.
This equation holds for any consistent system of units. E.g energy in joules, mass in kilograms and speed in metres per second.

Or, energy in electron volts and mass in electron volts over ##c^2##. For example, the mass of an electron is about ##0.5 MeV/c^2##.

In that case, you are free to choose any units for length and time. If you choose units where ##c =1## then the mass of an electron in those units is ##0.5 MeV##.
 
Orodruin said:
What conversion factor? eV is a unit of energy just as Joule is.
 
Ok let me try again, lol. E=mc^2 where m:kg and E:joules.

E/1.6e-19 = energy in eV = E’ = (mc^2)/1.6e-19

m = E’(1.6e-19)/c^2

So to get mass in kg you have to do the prescription above to the energy measured in eV. But when particle mass is stated, it doesn’t include this scaling factor.
 
I believe the major point is that you can quote mass in any of these units (eV, joules, kg) because you can always convert between them. They are all the same. Just as a week a month or a year can be used to describe a given amount of time.
 
Jrs580 said:
Ok let me try again, lol. E=mc^2 where m:kg and E:joules.

E/1.6e-19 = energy in eV = E’ = (mc^2)/1.6e-19

m = E’(1.6e-19)/c^2

So to get mass in kg you have to do the prescription above to the energy measured in eV. But when particle mass is stated, it doesn’t include this scaling factor.
I'm not sure I follow this. The mass of the electron is ##9.1 \times 10^{-31}kg##. So, its rest energy is:
$$E = mc^2 = (9.1 \times 10^{-31}kg)\times(9 \times 10^{16} m^2/s^2) = 8.2 \times 10^{-14}J$$To convert from joules to ##eV## we have ##1J = 6.24 \times 10^{18} eV##, so:
$$E = (8.2 \times 10^{-14}J)\times (6.24 \times 10^{18} eV/J) = 0.51 MeV$$Finally, using ##E = mc^2## in ##eV##, we have:
$$m = E/c^2 = 0.51 MeV/c^2$$is the mass of the electron in ##eV##.
 
Jrs580 said:
Ok let me try again, lol. E=mc^2 where m:kg and E:joules.

E/1.6e-19 = energy in eV = E’ = (mc^2)/1.6e-19

m = E’(1.6e-19)/c^2

So to get mass in kg you have to do the prescription above to the energy measured in eV. But when particle mass is stated, it doesn’t include this scaling factor.
Because mass doesn't have to be given in units of kg. Your question is kind of like asking: when a mass of a nickel is given as 5 grams, how come there's no factor of 0.001 thrown in (to convert it to kg)?

The unit ##{\rm eV}/c^2## is just another unit of mass, like a gram is.
 
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