Why LHC Higher Energy: Advantage in Higgs Search

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The discussion centers on the advantages of the higher energy of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) compared to the Tevatron in the search for the Higgs boson. It explores the implications of energy levels, particle collisions, and the broader goals of the LHC beyond just finding the Higgs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the advantage of the LHC's higher energy for Higgs searches, noting that the Tevatron operated at energies above the predicted Higgs mass.
  • Others argue that the LHC's energy was maximized for the existing tunnel to ensure sufficient energy for experiments, emphasizing the importance of exploring new physics beyond the Higgs.
  • One participant explains that the advantage lies in the energy carried by partons in proton collisions, which is less than the total collision energy, suggesting that the LHC allows for more effective Higgs production due to higher energy parton collisions.
  • A question is raised about whether the LHC accelerates and collides more particles on average than the Tevatron.
  • Another participant provides data indicating that the LHC's peak instantaneous luminosity is higher than that of the Tevatron, suggesting a greater collision rate.
  • There is a clarification regarding the nature of the colliders, noting that the LHC is a proton-proton collider while the Tevatron uses proton-antiproton collisions, which affects the collision rate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the significance of the LHC's higher energy and luminosity for Higgs searches, with no consensus reached on the overall advantages or implications of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the energy contributions from partons and the implications for collision rates remain unexamined, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical comparisons made regarding luminosity.

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What is the advantage of the higher energy of the LHC for finding the Higg's when Tevatron was already operating at an energy significantly higher than the predicted Higgs mass? Is it just that higher energy collisions will result in more particles, making data collection faster?
 
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They made the LHC energy as high as could be handled in the existing tunnel. Surely you would not want to spend $6B and then realize the energy was a bit short! Anyway, finding the Higgs boson is not the only goal, we want to survey as much territory as we can for new physics.
 
The advantage comes from the fact that proton are composite particles and at the high energies involved in the collisions what actually matters is the energy carried by the partons (quarks or gluons) that actually collide. This is generically quite a bit smaller than the total energy in the collision. So, at the LHC a significantly larger fraction of collisions should have enough energy to produce a Higgs than at the Tevatron. This effect is further pronounced by the fact that the Higgs is, by far, most readily produced in conjunction with other heavy particles.
 
Does the LHC accelerate and collide a greater number of particles on average than the Tevatron?
 
Slightly more. The peak instantaneous luminosity at the Tevatron was 4 x 1032/cm2/s. So far the LHC has achieved 1033/cm2/s, and its design luminosity is 1034.
 
Slightly? Isn't that like ten times as much with a design of up to 100x more? (Is the LHC 1x10^33 or 4x10^33?) Or is my math wrong?
 
Yes, because it's a proton-proton collider. The Tevatron is proton-antiproton, so you have to make antiprotons. That limits the collision rate.
 
I see. Thanks!
 

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