Why was the LHC required to find the Higgs?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) for the discovery of the Higgs boson, particularly in the context of its mass around 126 GeV. Participants explore the differences between the LHC and the Tevatron, focusing on collision energy, luminosity, and detection capabilities.

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  • One participant questions why the LHC was deemed necessary for finding the Higgs when the Tevatron could achieve higher energy collisions and had previously discovered the top quark.
  • Another participant suggests that the difficulty in detecting the Higgs amidst background noise necessitated a collider with higher luminosity, which the LHC provides.
  • It is noted that the production of the Higgs at the LHC is primarily through gluon fusion processes, which are enhanced at higher energies due to larger gluon Parton distribution functions.
  • A participant highlights that the LHC's cross-section for Higgs production is significantly larger than that of the Tevatron, along with the LHC collecting more data, leading to a higher number of detectable Higgs particles.
  • There is a mention of the technological advancements in LHC detectors compared to those used at the Tevatron, contributing to better detection capabilities.
  • One participant speculates that antiproton-proton collisions might have been more effective, but notes that this is less relevant at the energy levels of the LHC.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the LHC versus the Tevatron for discovering the Higgs boson, with no consensus reached on the necessity of the LHC for this discovery.

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Discussion includes assumptions about the capabilities of different colliders, the significance of luminosity and cross-section in particle detection, and the impact of technological advancements in detector design.

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If the Higgs is around 126 GeV, why was the LHC required to find it, when the Tevatron is capable of 1 TeV collisions and had already found the top quark which is quite a bit heavier? Is this because of something special about proton-proton collisions?

Thanks!

PS Please don't say "they did see the Higgs at the Tevatron!" I'm aware of those results, but clearly there must've been some reason why the LHC was thought to be more effective in discovering this particle.
 
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It is more difficult to see the Higgs particle in the noise. Identifying the top quark is easier than identifying the Higgs. So you need a collider with higher luminosity, which is the LHC.

Regarding the Higgs being "found" at the Tevatron: I don't think they had 5 sigma significance to declare a discovery.
 
Also, at the LHC the production is dominated by gluon fusion process via top loop.

With higher energy hadrons (3.5, 4 TeV) the gluon Parton distribution function is larger and thus the cross section increases.

Also Lhc detectors are newer technology, so in general better
 
http://pdg3.lbl.gov/atlasblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Picture-1.png
The plot is older than the discovery, so there is no line for 126 GeV, but 150 GeV is close enough. At the LHC, the cross-section is more than an order of magnitude larger (even with 7 and 8 TeV), and at the same time the LHC collected more collisions (25/fb integrated luminosity, while the Tevatron experiments got 10/fb). This means the LHC experiments had ~50 times more Higgs particles, with just ~2.5 times more background.
And the LHC detectors are better, of course.

Antiproton-proton collisions would have been even better, but at the LHC energy, that does not matter so much any more.
 
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