Why measure the speed of light in one direction?

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of the speed of light in one direction, exploring its implications in the context of electromagnetism and special relativity. Participants examine the theoretical foundations provided by Maxwell's equations and the conventions surrounding the one-way speed of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Maxwell's equations indicate the speed of light in a vacuum is a constant, independent of the observer's motion, which is foundational to special relativity.
  • Others suggest that the one-way speed of light is a convention rather than a measurable fact of nature, raising questions about its significance in experimental validation.
  • A participant mentions that Maxwell's equations can be expressed in non-orthogonal coordinates, leading to a non-isotropic speed, but asserts this does not affect physical measurements.
  • Some argue that the isotropy of light speed is a consequence of using Minkowski coordinates, which are based on Einstein's synchronization method, implying that the one-way speed of light should be the same in both directions.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that the speed of light is strictly isotropic without experimental verification, questioning the need to measure it in one direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the one-way speed of light, with some asserting its isotropy based on theoretical frameworks while others emphasize the lack of experimental verification and the conventional nature of its measurement. No consensus is reached regarding the necessity or implications of measuring the one-way speed of light.

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The discussion highlights the dependence of claims on specific coordinate systems and the unresolved nature of the one-way speed of light as a convention versus a measurable quantity. There are also references to historical perspectives on Maxwell's equations and their application in different inertial frames.

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It may be shown from the Maxwell Equations for electromagnetism that the speed of light is a constant regardless of the motion of the observer. So why bother trying to measure the speed of light in one direction?
It may be shown from the equations of electromagnetism, by James Clerk Maxwell in the 1860’s, that the speed of light in the vacuum of free space is related to electric permittivity (ϵ) and magnetic permeability (μ) by the equation: c=1/√( μ ϵ ) .
This value is a constant for the vacuum of free space and is independent of the motion of the observer. It was this fact, in part, that led Albert Einstein to Special Relativity.
 
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You can construct Maxwell's equations in non-orthogonal coordinates if you like. Then you'll get a non-isotropic speed. As always, this has no effect on any physical measurement.
 
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In general, you like to try to validate your theories against experiment. However, in this case the one way speed of light is a convention that you choose and not a fact of nature that you measure.
 
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James Hasty said:
TL;DR Summary: It may be shown from the Maxwell Equations for electromagnetism that the speed of light is a constant regardless of the motion of the observer. So why bother trying to measure the speed of light in one direction?
You could write Maxwell's equations in the following primed coordinates (given any inertial coordinate system x,y,z,t).
$$x' = x \ \ \ \ \ y' = y \ \ \ \ \ z' = z \ \ \ \ \ t' = t + \frac{kx}{c}$$Source:
https://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath229/kmath229.htm

Then the one-way (cordinate-)speed of light will be anisotropic in ##\pm x'## direction.
 
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My viewpoint is that for all inertial observers with Minkowski coordinates, Maxwell's equations posit the speed of light to be isotropic. But YES, I agree with your comments. Thank you.
 
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James Hasty said:
TL;DR Summary: It may be shown from the Maxwell Equations for electromagnetism that the speed of light is a constant regardless of the motion of the observer.
That's not completely correct. Before Einstein, when the physically relevant coordinate transformation was thought to be the GT, Maxwell's theory was thought to be strictly true in only one inertial frame - that of still ether.

Source: Chapter "6.1 Transformation of the Field Vectors" in W. Rindler "Essential Relativity".
https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/3540100903?tag=pfamazon01-20

According to SR, Maxwell's equations are strictly true in each inertial frame.
 
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James Hasty said:
My viewpoint is that for all inertial observers with Minkowski coordinates, Maxwell's equations posit the speed of light to be isotropic.
This must be true, because the definition of such coordinates is based on the Einstein clock synchronization, that means on the definition, that the one-way speed of light is the same in opposite directions.
 
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James Hasty said:
It may be shown from the Maxwell Equations for electromagnetism that the speed of light is a constant regardless of the motion of the observer.
Not without experimental verification.
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So why bother trying to measure the speed of light in one direction?
Because it wouldn't provide that verification.
 
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