Why must a water skier at constant velocity lean back?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a water skier maintaining constant velocity while leaning backward. Participants explore the forces acting on the skier, including tension, air resistance, water resistance, and gravity, and how these forces relate to the skier's position and stability.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to identify the forces acting on the skier and their points of application. Questions arise regarding how the skier maintains zero torque and the role of gravity in counteracting potential rotation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the free-body diagram and the forces involved. Some participants express uncertainty about the role of gravity and the implications of leaning back, while others suggest clarifications and corrections to the initial diagrams.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of including all relevant forces in the free-body diagram, including the normal force and the effects of buoyancy. There is an acknowledgment of the constraints of the problem, such as the requirement to maintain constant velocity and the implications for the forces acting on the skier.

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Homework Statement


Why must a water skier moving with constant velocity lean backward? What determines how far back she must lean? Draw a free-body diagram for the water skier to justify your answers.

Homework Equations


Equilibrium: Fnet=0 and Torquenet=0
rcenter of mass=(m1r1+m2r2+m3r3...)/(m1+m2+m3...)

This chapter also discusses stress, strain, elasticity etc. but I don't think it's applicable to this problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



In my free body diagram, the forces acting on the skier are air resistance and water resistance in the negative direction, and the tension in the rope she's holding in the positive direction.

The net force will always be zero because the tension will match resistance. The torque needs to be kept at 0 so she doesn't flip. I think she leans back to keep the torque at 0, but I'm not sure why that would work.
 
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Just where are these forces acting on the skier.
 
Air resistance acts across the front of the skier (equivalent to being concentrated at the center of mass), and water resistance, which exerts more force, acts along the skis. The tension acts along her arms, probably near the center of mass.
 
Lola Luck said:
The torque needs to be kept at 0 so she doesn't flip.
And, how does she accomplish zero torque?
 
Lola Luck said:
Air resistance acts across the front of the skier (equivalent to being concentrated at the center of mass), and water resistance, which exerts more force, acts along the skis. The tension acts along her arms, probably near the center of mass.
Don't overlook gravity! Gravity acts vertically downwards; you can often picture it being concentrated at about waist height, when standing.
 
Bystander said:
And, how does she accomplish zero torque?

by leaning back, apparently. is it because she shifts her center of gravity?
 
NascentOxygen said:
Don't overlook gravity! Gravity acts vertically downwards; you can often picture it being concentrated at about waist height, when standing.

Oh yeah, completely forgot about gravity in the free body diagram...
 
Lola Luck said:
Oh yeah, completely forgot about gravity in the free body diagram...
So, can you show on a stick figure how gravity can counter the tendency of the tow line to produce a face plant (i.e., a rotation about the ankle straps)?
 
Show us the free body diagram. Did you include the normal force at the feet/lift force due to the skies?
 
  • #10
I can't show the free body diagram but i have the tension of the cable, gravity, air resistance, water resistance (friction?), normal force (buoyancy?). Is it because leaning back causes gravity to have a torque that counters the water resistance?
 
  • #11
ok it might be sideways but the top one is without leaning and the bottom one is with leaning
 

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  • #12
That looks like the right idea, but ... If skiing at constant speed, fa whatever it is won't be there. I would keep the skis flat, and water resistance and bouyancy shouldn't change to act at an angle.
 
  • #13
Fa is air resistance... I guess it's not necessary to include it. I think i have it figured out- thank you for your help!
 
  • #14
Ski's aren't very buoyant. FB would be due to lift caused by the skis being at an angle to the water.

When you show the man leaning back I would leave the FB pointing vertically. You already have FW due to friction (drag) and I would suggest that FB and FW should be orthogonal (at 90 degrees to each other).
 

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