Why Must f(x,y,z) Attain a Maximum and Minimum on a Sphere?

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The discussion revolves around the function f(x,y,z) = x + y - z and its behavior on the sphere defined by the equation x² + y² + z² = 81. Participants are exploring why this function must attain both a maximum and a minimum on the given surface.

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  • Participants discuss the properties of continuous functions on compact sets and the implications for the function in question. There are inquiries about the definition and properties of the set K, particularly regarding its closure and boundedness. Some participants question the necessity of proving compactness and whether demonstrating that the set is closed is sufficient.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and suggestions regarding the proof of compactness and the closed nature of the set defined by g(x,y,z). There is a focus on understanding the implications of continuity and compactness in the context of the problem.

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Participants note that they have not covered the theorem regarding the continuity of compactness in their class, which adds a layer of complexity to their discussion. There is also a mention of the need to define g(x,y,z) clearly, which is essential for the analysis.

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Homework Statement



Explain why ##f(x,y,z) = x + y - z## must attain both a maximum and a minimum on the sphere ##x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 81)##.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know that any continuous function attains both a maximum and a minimum on a compact set. I defined the set ##K## as $$K = \{(x,y,z)|g(x,y,z) = 0\}$$ and demonstrated that it is bounded by a closed ball. I then realized, however, that I'm not really sure how to show that the set is closed. I understand the definition of a closed set, but I don't know how to show that it is true in this particular case. Any hints?
 
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MuIotaTau said:

Homework Statement



Explain why ##f(x,y,z) = x + y - z## must attain both a maximum and a minimum on the sphere ##x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 81)##.

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None

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that any continuous function attains both a maximum and a minimum on a compact set. I defined the set ##K## as $$K = \{(x,y,z)|g(x,y,z) = 0\}$$

What is g?

and demonstrated that it is bounded by a closed ball. I then realized, however, that I'm not really sure how to show that the set is closed. I understand the definition of a closed set, but I don't know how to show that it is true in this particular case. Any hints?

It suffices to show that the sphere is compact. To do that, you can write down a continuous surjection from a compact subset of the plane to the sphere and use the result that the continuous image of a compact space is compact.
 
MuIotaTau said:

Homework Statement



Explain why ##f(x,y,z) = x + y - z## must attain both a maximum and a minimum on the sphere ##x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 81)##.

Homework Equations



None

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that any continuous function attains both a maximum and a minimum on a compact set. I defined the set ##K## as $$K = \{(x,y,z)|g(x,y,z) = 0\}$$ and demonstrated that it is bounded by a closed ball. I then realized, however, that I'm not really sure how to show that the set is closed. I understand the definition of a closed set, but I don't know how to show that it is true in this particular case. Any hints?
What's g(x, y, z)?
 
Oops, I'm sorry, I defined ##g## as ##g(x,y,z) = x^2 + y^z + z^2 - 81##. So the constraint equation.

We haven't demonstrated that compactness is continuous invariant in class, unfortunately, so I would be required to prove that. If demonstrating the set is closed is more complicated, I'll do it, but I would rather not prove a theorem if it's not strictly necessary.
 
MuIotaTau said:
Oops, I'm sorry, I defined ##g## as ##g(x,y,z) = x^2 + y^z + z^2 - 81##. So the constraint equation.

We haven't demonstrated that compactness is continuous invariant in class, unfortunately, so I would be required to prove that. If demonstrating the set is closed is more complicated, I'll do it, but I would rather not prove a theorem if it's not strictly necessary.

Proving that the set of points where g(x,y,z)=0 is closed should be easy. Just use the definition of continuity directly or that the inverse image of a closed set is closed for a continuous function. Now use Bolzano-Weierstrass.
 
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