Why not connect regenerator before the pump/compressor

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In summary, the regenerator is used in a gas turbine to increase cycle efficiency by recycling some of the waste heat in the exhaust. It would be impractical to heat the air before compression, which would reduce efficiency.
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In thermodynamic cycles, (specifically gas turbine power cycles with regeneration) why don't we connect the regenerator before, and not after, the compressor? would this violate the second law?
if not, then is it used? because i couldn't find any evidence or example on this.
Regards, A.Afif
 
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AdamA0 said:
In thermodynamic cycles, (specifically gas turbine power cycles with regeneration) why don't we connect the regenerator before, and not after, the compressor? would this violate the second law?
No, it wouldn't violate the second law, but it would be silly to do so.

Why is a regenerator used in a gas turbine? The regenerator recycles some of the heat which would otherwise be lost in the turbine exhaust and uses it to heat the compressed air entering the combustion chambers. This increases cycle thermodynamic efficiency.

If you placed the regenerator before the compressor, then you must compress this warmer inlet air before it is sent to the combustion chamber. Warm air expands, so this means the compressor must work harder to compress this warm inlet air to the proper combustion pressure. The compressor also must work at a higher average temperature, which may affect its design and the material used to construct it.

Instead of increasing cycle efficiency, relocating the regenerator before the compressor inlet would reduce efficiency.
 
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The regenerator is an extra heater in series with the main heater that uses fuel. The idea is just to reduce the fuel consumption to get the same heat input:

In this gas-turbine engine, gas is compressed, mixed with fuel which is then burned and then produces power in the turbine. The recuperator transfers some of the waste heat in the exhaust to the compressed air, thus preheating it before entering the fuel burner stage. Since the gases have been pre-heated, less fuel is needed to heat the gases up to the turbine inlet temperature. Because some of the energy (that would be usually lost as waste heat) is recovered, the recuperator increases the efficiency of this cycle.

After the compressor, it doesn't affect the T-S or P-V diagram in any way:

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If it was heated before, starting at point 1, air would be heated up until a point slightly higher than point 6, then compressed to point 3 (vertical line 1-2 shifted to the right), then heated again until point 4, expansion to point 5 and finally cooled back to point 1 on the same isobar line as the regenerator. You can see how the area would be a lot smaller, i.e smaller work output.

Furthermore, when you heat the air, it expands, you would need a bigger compressor (i.e. a bigger engine) to treat the same amount of air if it was pre-heated.

For a thermodynamic cycle to work, the order is always compression, heat addition, expansion, cooling.
 
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1. Why is it not recommended to connect a regenerator before the pump/compressor?

Connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor can lead to a decrease in overall system efficiency. This is because the regenerator works by recovering heat from the exhaust gas and using it to preheat the incoming air. However, when placed before the pump/compressor, the regenerator may also preheat the exhaust gas, making it less effective at recovering heat from the exhaust gas.

2. Will connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor improve system performance?

No, connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor is not recommended as it can actually decrease system performance. The regenerator works best when placed after the pump/compressor, where it can recover heat from the exhaust gas without preheating it.

3. Can connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor cause damage to the system?

While connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor may not directly cause damage to the system, it can lead to decreased efficiency and potentially shorten the lifespan of the equipment. It is important to follow recommended placement guidelines for optimal system performance and longevity.

4. Are there any situations where connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor is beneficial?

In some cases, connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor may be beneficial if the exhaust gas is at a lower temperature and can still provide enough heat for the regenerator to operate effectively. However, this is not a common scenario and it is generally recommended to place the regenerator after the pump/compressor for optimal performance.

5. What are the potential consequences of connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor?

The main consequence of connecting a regenerator before the pump/compressor is a decrease in system efficiency. This can result in higher energy consumption and operating costs. Additionally, the regenerator may become less effective at recovering heat from the exhaust gas, leading to a decrease in overall system performance.

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