Why Permanganate Isn't a Coordination Compound

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The discussion revolves around the classification of permanganate as a coordination compound, exploring the definitions and bonding characteristics that differentiate it from such compounds. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation regarding coordination chemistry.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why permanganate is not considered a coordination compound, suggesting that it involves a metal and ligands (oxygens).
  • Another participant asserts that the classification of coordination compounds is based on their formation rather than bonding properties, emphasizing the nature of coordinate covalent bonding.
  • A later reply indicates that permanganate is not viewed as a product of a Mn7+ cation and 4 O2- anions, which contributes to its classification as not being a coordination compound.
  • There is a suggestion that permanganate could be classified simply as an ordinary inorganic anion without needing a special designation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of permanganate, with no consensus reached on whether it should be considered a coordination compound or not.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of definitions in chemistry and the potential ambiguity in classifying compounds based on their bonding characteristics and formation processes.

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Okay, simple and probably stupid question: why is permanganate not a coordination compound?after all it's a metal and oxygens which can act as ligands right?

thank you!
 
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Chemist20 said:
Okay, simple and probably stupid question: why is permanganate not a coordination compound?after all it's a metal and oxygens which can act as ligands right?

thank you!

What makes you think it isn't?
 
Chemist20 said:
Okay, simple and probably stupid question: why is permanganate not a coordination compound?after all it's a metal and oxygens which can act as ligands right?

thank you!

It's not simple nor stupid at all. Coordination compounds are defined rather through their fomation than their actual bonding properties. Usually coordinate covalent bonding is understood as a transfer of lone electron pair of a donor ligand (can be ion or neutral molecule) to a bond with central (acceptor) atom. Permanganate is not considered a coordination compound, since no chemist would think of it as a product of Mn7+ cation and 4 O2- anions.
 
asym said:
It's not simple nor stupid at all. Coordination compounds are defined rather through their fomation than their actual bonding properties. Usually coordinate covalent bonding is understood as a transfer of lone electron pair of a donor ligand (can be ion or neutral molecule) to a bond with central (acceptor) atom. Permanganate is not considered a coordination compound, since no chemist would think of it as a product of Mn7+ cation and 4 O2- anions.

ooooh okay, I see. So what would it be then?
 
Chemist20 said:
ooooh okay, I see. So what would it be then?
Just ordinary inorganic anion, no need for a special name.
 

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