Why the atmosphere spins with the Earth

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The discussion centers on the reasons why the Earth's atmosphere rotates in sync with the planet, exploring concepts related to atmospheric dynamics, friction, and the interaction between the Earth's surface and its atmosphere. Participants delve into both theoretical and observational aspects of this phenomenon.

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  • Some participants suggest that friction plays a crucial role in the atmosphere's rotation, positing that without it, the atmosphere would be subject to extreme winds that could damage the Earth's surface.
  • Others argue that the interaction between the Earth's rotation and the atmosphere has evolved over time, noting that the length of a day has changed historically and the atmosphere has adjusted accordingly.
  • One participant mentions that turbulence and density waves caused by the Earth's uneven surface contribute to energy transfer between the surface and the atmosphere.
  • Another viewpoint highlights that the air near the Earth's surface tends to adhere to the planet's rotation, comparing it to other spinning objects like gyroscopes.
  • Some participants note that there is minimal friction between the atmosphere and space, but significant drag exists between the Earth and its atmosphere.
  • A claim is made that the upper atmosphere rotates faster than the Earth due to various factors, including the diurnal bulge and magnetic interactions.
  • There is a discussion about the jet streams, with some participants suggesting they indicate faster rotation in the upper atmosphere, while others counter that jet streams are small and counterbalanced by other atmospheric phenomena.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the dynamics of atmospheric rotation, with no clear consensus on the mechanisms involved or the implications of phenomena like jet streams and super-rotation.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of friction and rotation, and the discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the interaction between different layers of the atmosphere and the Earth's surface.

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The mantle of the Earth spins at about 1000mph at the equator and at 0mph at the poles. The atmosphere spins in unison and I've never fully understood why.

I would be very grateful for a scientific explanation.
 
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Friction.

Suppose the atmosphere wasn't rotating. Think of what a 1000 mph would do. It would rip the surface to shreds. That however would slow the wind down, at least at the surface. The slower winds at the surface would in turn interact with the faster moving air aloft. Over a relatively short period of time the atmosphere wind would eventually settle into a state where it is more or less rotating with the Earth.

In fact, the Earth hasn't always been rotating at one revolution per 23.9344696 hours (the current length of a sidereal day). The rotation rate has been decreasing over time. 380 million years ago a day was only 22 hours long. The atmosphere has kept pace with this decrease because the atmosphere interacts with the rotating Earth.
 
Also, the Earth is not smooth, so you get turbulence and density waves which transfer energy between surface and atmosphere.

One example is the way wind over water drives waves: The longer the 'fetch', the bigger the wave as it absorbs energy from the wind. This is then dissipated when the wave breaks on a reef or shore...
http://www.seafriends.org.nz/oceano/waves.htm
 
The air closest to the surface of any spinning object tends to stick with the object. That's as true for hard drives and gyroscopes as it is for the Earth. The difference between the former two and the Earth is that the Earth's atmosphere has no outer element of friction, so it rotates with the Earth throughout its altitude.
 
I think the question has been mostly answered, but yes, friction... there's no (very little?) friction between "space" and the atmosphere, but there is friction (drag) between the Earth and the atmosphere...

Also, this is an interesting read... http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/global/jet.htm
 
Actually, the upper atmosphere is rotating faster than is the Earth itself. This is due to the diurnal bulge and due to interactions between the Earth's magnetic field and the partially ionized upper atmosphere, which in turn interacts with the neutral atmosphere.
 
Yeah, I guess it does spin faster, The jet stream would be proof... Right?
 
mp3car said:
Yeah, I guess it does spin faster, The jet stream would be proof... Right?
Not really. For one thing, the jet streams are rather small. For another, the jet streams are somewhat counterbalanced by the prevailing easterlies (the lower atmosphere under-rotates in the tropics). The super-rotation of the ionosphere encompasses much of the ionosphere and is a phenomenon quite distinct from the jet streams.
 

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