Why Was the Natural Logarithm Defined as an Integral?

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The discussion centers around the definition of the natural logarithm as an integral, specifically ln(x) = ∫1x (1/t) dt. Participants explore the justification for this definition, its properties, and its relationship to the exponential function.

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  • One participant questions the justification for defining the natural logarithm as an integral and seeks clarity on how this definition was established.
  • Another participant notes that the properties of the natural logarithm can be verified using the integral definition, including the product and power rules.
  • A different perspective suggests that the natural logarithm is the inverse function of the exponential function, leading to a relationship involving derivatives and integrals.
  • Some participants reference additional threads discussing the definition of the exponential function, indicating that understanding this definition is crucial for comprehending the logarithm's definition.
  • Several posts diverge into discussions about smooth and non-analytic functions, with participants sharing insights about their relevance in distribution theory and providing examples.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the definition and properties of the natural logarithm, with no consensus reached on the justification for its integral definition. Additionally, discussions about related concepts, such as the exponential function and properties of smooth functions, introduce further complexity without resolution.

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Some discussions touch on the assumptions underlying the definitions of the exponential and logarithmic functions, as well as the implications of smooth versus analytic functions, but these remain unresolved within the thread.

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Hello,

The definition is ln(x) = \int_1^x\frac{1}{t}dt

I have read several sources regarding this, but what I can't seem to find is why it was defined this way. What is the justification for defining it this way, and how was ln (x) found to be the same as the that particular integral?
 
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All of the usual properties of the natural log can be verified if you use this definition: ln(ab)=ln(a)+ln(b), ln(a^b)=b ln(a), ln(1)=0, etc. And then we can define e as the number such that ln(e)=1, and use that definition to prove that e is equal to the limit of (1 + 1/n)^n as n goes to infinity.
 
Another way to look at it, assuming that the exponential function exp has already been defined, it is that ln is the inverse function of exp. One key characteristic of exp is that if

y = exp(x)

then

dy/dx = exp(x) = y

Hence the inverse function

x = ln(y)

must satisfy

dx/dy = 1/y

Writing t instead of y gives us

dx/dt = 1/t

Now integrate both sides:

\ln(a) = x(a) = \int_c^a \frac{1}{t} dt

where c is some constant. To find out its value, recognize that we must have ln(1) = 0 [because exp(0) = 1], so c must satisfy

\int_c^1 \frac{1}{t} dt = 0

which forces c = 1.
 
If you go with jbunniii's approach, you will want to know more about why the exponential function is defined the way it is. My posts here can help you with that.
 
Fredrik said:
If you go with jbunniii's approach, you will want to know more about why the exponential function is defined the way it is. My posts here can help you with that.

Nice writeup! I added a few comments at the end of that thread in case you're interested: one is just to note a typo, another is to clarify that a smooth function isn't necessarily analytic, and finally I wondered aloud if there could be a nondifferentiable function satisfying f(x+y) = f(x)f(y) for all x,y.
 
jbunniii said:
Nice writeup! I added a few comments at the end of that thread in case you're interested: one is just to note a typo, another is to clarify that a smooth function isn't necessarily analytic, and finally I wondered aloud if there could be a nondifferentiable function satisfying f(x+y) = f(x)f(y) for all x,y.
Cool. Thanks for checking the details, and for letting me know that there are non-analytic smooth functions. I must have learned that at some point, and then quickly forgotten all about it.
 
Fredrik said:
Cool. Thanks for checking the details, and for letting me know that there are non-analytic smooth functions. I must have learned that at some point, and then quickly forgotten all about it.
Non-analytic smooth functions are important in distribution theory, because typically the test function space is the set of bump functions, i.e. smooth functions of compact support (except for tempered distributions whose test functions just need to have derivatives vanish sufficiently quickly).
 
I think the standard example is:

e-1/x2 , x≠0

0, if x=0 .
 
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Bacle2 said:
I think the standard example is:

e-1/x2 , x≠0

0, if x=0 .

Yes, this function has the striking feature that

f^{(n)}(0) = 0

for all n, so its Taylor series is identically zero.
 

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