Why water in cup suspends when placed upside down in water?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of water in a cup not leaking out when the cup is inverted in water. Participants explore the underlying physical principles, including pressure dynamics and the concept of vacuum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the water in the cup does not leak out due to the weight of the water creating a vacuum above the cup, exerting negative pressure on the water.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that the atmospheric pressure outside the cup (equivalent to 10 km of atmosphere) prevents the formation of a vacuum until a significant height is reached.
  • A later reply clarifies that a vacuum is defined as zero pressure, and negative absolute pressure does not exist.
  • One participant proposes an experimental setup using a transparent garden hose to demonstrate the effects of height on pressure, suggesting that water would boil if pulled above a certain height.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of a water barometer, explaining that at heights above 10 m, the pressure at the top is very low, leading to the evaporation of a small amount of water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of vacuum and atmospheric pressure in this phenomenon, indicating that multiple competing explanations remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about pressure dynamics and the conditions under which water behaves in a vacuum, which are not fully resolved.

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Why water in the cup doesn't leak out until the opening of the up reaches the surface of water?
Is it because the weight of the water in the cup tries to create vacuum on top of the cup, which exert negative pressure on the water?
 
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No. Because 10 km of atmosphere press down on the liquid outside the cup. Read all about it under Toricelli (who did the experiment with a tube and mercury and discovered that 10 km of atmosphere weighed as much as 76 cm of mercury). So before your cup actually shows a vacuum, it would have to be over 10 m high :smile: .
 
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henry wang said:
Is it because the weight of the water in the cup tries to create vacuum on top of the cup, which exert negative pressure on the water?

A vacuum would be zero pressure. There is no such thing as a negative absolute pressure (eg less than a vacuum).
 
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Thank you!
 
BvU said:
So before your cup actually shows a vacuum, it would have to be over 10 m high :smile: .
You could do this with a (preferably transparent) garden hose in a 4 storey stairwell. Have you seen this described anywhere? I guess the water would boil as you pulled the hose above the 10 m level.
 
Google water barometer.
Boiling is a big word for what happens at the 10 m level, but you are right: the apparent vacuum at the top is in fact very low pressure water vapour (0.023 Bar at 20 C) so a very small amount of water has to evaporate
 

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